El Zen Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Offsides are not being given because of linos flagging which is leading to goals that can’t be checked by VAR This is definitely an issue. Lots of these situations, unsurprisingly, result in corners that should never have been. Edited December 26, 2022 by El Zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Not for me, but a lot of clamouring that this should have been a red for Haaland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, a-k said: Not for me, but a lot of clamouring that this should have been a red for Haaland When it first happened I thought red. Seeing it back I’m on the fence. So I guess that being the case, I’d have sent him off and it wouldn’t have been overturned. And in the circumstance it wasn’t a red and wasn’t overturned. And I guess that’s the way it should be (clear and obvious errors and all that). edit: looking back it’s kind of mad it wasn’t given as a red but I can see why it wasn’t overturned. He had no control and fully launched in with his foot a foot above the ground. Not given and then I guess it wasn’t “clear and obvious”? Edited December 31, 2022 by Spoony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 It looks a lot worse than it is I think The no control thing, he's not trying to tackle he's trying to block and it's the follow through that's caught him so do you remove that element or say its irrelevant If he was trying to tackle like that then it's an all day red card Seen them given though, maybe even for us or against us but I can't remember when Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 On 26/12/2022 at 18:23, Mantis said: So we've just conceded from a corner which should never have been given in the first place because it came from an offside chance. And once again, it comes down to VAR, because the linesmen have effectively outsourced their jobs to it. This is one of my major issues with the whole system, it’s just too open to manipulation which in turn is making results more open to manipulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: It looks a lot worse than it is I think The no control thing, he's not trying to tackle he's trying to block and it's the follow through that's caught him so do you remove that element or say its irrelevant If he was trying to tackle like that then it's an all day red card Seen them given though, maybe even for us or against us but I can't remember when The problem is if it was the other way around it probably is given. If thats Maupay on Dias its a red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 Once again, either so poor they shouldn’t be doing this job, or absolutely corrupt to the point of it not being hidden anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 German ref has some interesting rule ideas and some I do agree with 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, Zatman said: German ref has some interesting rule ideas and some I do agree with All seem sensible to me and attempt to fix the shitty gamesmanship that spoil it for fans. I think a tactical foul in midfield should have an 'orange card' sin bin consequence, however. FIFA don't care about the same things though so none of these will be addressed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 5, 2023 34 minutes ago, Zatman said: German ref has some interesting rule ideas and some I do agree with First two are awful ideas to be honest. The other two are good though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Yeah theyll never achieve consistency with what they deem to be a tactical foul There's times where you'll see a foul in the middle of the park where they're not even trying to play the ball they just take the man and there's a case for that definitely but it will be abused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, villa4europe said: Yeah theyll never achieve consistency with what they deem to be a tactical foul There's times where you'll see a foul in the middle of the park where they're not even trying to play the ball they just take the man and there's a case for that definitely but it will be abused Curious as to how you think it'd be abused? I've long wanted to see red cards given for tactical fouls. There's just no interest in playing the ball at all; the sole purpose is to take out the man. Lenglet (I think?) got booked for Spurs fouling Bailey - just as a long ball was being played over the top and Lenglet realised he's not getting the ball ahead of Bailey, he just takes him out off the ball. A yellow is far too lenient. You get the same punishment for taking your shirt off while celebrating (which is another ridiculous rule). They still need to sort out handball, though. The inconsistency in handball decisions is utterly maddening. Edited January 6, 2023 by bobzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, bobzy said: Curious as to how you think it'd be abused? I've long wanted to see red cards given for tactical fouls. There's just no interest in playing the ball at all; the sole purpose is to take out the man. Lenglet (I think?) got booked for Spurs fouling Bailey - just as a long ball was being played over the top and Lenglet realised he's not getting the ball ahead of Bailey, he just takes him out off the ball. A yellow is far too lenient. You get the same punishment for taking your shirt off while celebrating (which is another ridiculous rule). They still need to sort out handball, though. The inconsistency in handball decisions is utterly maddening. You think that we would end up with a fair system? Or that diving wouldn't get worse if that was the advantage? There's something there that can be done because you do see some shockingly cynical tackles in the middle but at the moment it's meant to be a yellow and they don't even do that consistently Rodri would be getting 5 yellow cards a game of they did Edited January 6, 2023 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Just on handball consistency... We surely must have seen every type of incident that generates contact between ball and hand. Surely whatever that list is can then be put into two categories of 'given' and 'not-given'. I refuse to believe there's a way of getting a handball that hasn't been seen yet...so it should be easy to categorise them, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Never mind the caption because the call was "right" based on the law, but how on Earth is the defender meant to know Salah is offside there and he should just let it drop to him, especially when linesmen no longer put their flags up right away? Absolute bollocks rule 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, a-k said: Never mind the caption because the call was "right" based on the law, but how on Earth is the defender meant to know Salah is offside there and he should just let it drop to him, especially when linesmen no longer put their flags up right away? Absolute bollocks rule Defender only attempts to head the ball because Salah is where he is, in an offside position! Absolute joke of a rule 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Corrupt. No other explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Mike Dean on VAR. Wolves 3rd goal was not off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 44 minutes ago, a-k said: Never mind the caption because the call was "right" based on the law, but how on Earth is the defender meant to know Salah is offside there and he should just let it drop to him, especially when linesmen no longer put their flags up right away? Absolute bollocks rule It's nonsense, historically that had always been flagged, the 'intentionally played the ball' was to cover when defenders did a blind/mishit backpass when clearly in control of the ball Then we had that goal City scored against us after the player came back from offside and tackled Mings a millisecond after he'd touched the ball, and instead of admitting the officials got it wrong that day they doubled down and changed their interpretation Defenders are now severely disadvantaged in situations like we saw tonight, all because PGMOL were too cowardly to admit they messed up in a game 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 7, 2023 Author Share Posted January 7, 2023 There’s no offside there, the lino had flagged for some reason and apparently they didn’t have VAR angles to reverse it. an absolute farce that benefits the top teams 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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