Bertrand Traoré

[Vive_La_Villa]

Just now, MaVilla said:

tbh, if we get Traore AND one from Rashica, Benrahma, Cantwell, Buendia (or similar), i will be perfectly happy.

Likely Traoré and King mate. 

[sne]

12 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

Might be good for us. Adds a completely different dynamic to what we've had. With Guilbert/Cash bombing on beyond him, defenders will have more to think about than just "Trez is going to bump into Elmo and do nothing/AEG is going to cross it and nobody will meet it".

Yeah he adds things we lack, pace, dribbles and someone the defenders have to focus on on the right side so they just can't double team  Grealish to cancel us out.

He would also be an outlet for counters and to leave high at defending set pieces. Again something we lack.

It's just that out of the players with similar attributes out there he is not one I would go for, and especially not for that kinda money. Who knows, maybe I've just been unlucky and caught him on his bad nights when I've watched him with Lyon but he's been mostly frustrating and ineffective. (I've mostly watched him in games against good sides like PSG, Marseille, Lille and in the European cups)

Tbf it's mostly his lack of assists that worry me because as mentioned he's looked a bit selfish when I watched him. He always looks for that curled shot in the far corner.

Edited September 14, 2020 by sne

[Zatman]

1 hour ago, Skruff said:

Does any of that apply for Traore? 

Or Wesley or Samatta 

[vazquez]

Then again he will do nothing with his right leg so just focus on blocking his left and any chances to cut inside. Easy. Just like having basketball player with one hand.

[RichiBoi11]

6 minutes ago, vazquez said:

Then again he will do nothing with his right leg so just focus on blocking his left and any chances to cut inside. Easy. Just like having basketball player with one hand.

Even if he really is that one footed it doesn't necessarily make him easier to play against. If he has Cash bombing past him from full back then he has the option to go inside, or play it back out wide for a right footed cross. There's no way every winger in this league will track Cash and that instantly makes it harder for a full back to defend against Traore, even if he knows his left foot is his strongest.

[John]

2 hours ago, Zhan_Zhuang said:

There are more fish in the sea @villalad21

 

 

 

...no more fish puns!

 

Sorry, I thought someone mentioned fish buns. 

[Rolta]

29 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Maybe there is more to the fee. A relationship with Lyon or something?  It seems bizarre we paying so much if they are desperate to sell. 

Last summer he was getting linked to Liverpool for £40 million. He might not have had the best season last season but he seems to have at least a bit of a profile.

[vazquez]

Ok, I base my opinion on just few of his YouTube highlights . But really never seen so one legged player in this level in attacking role before, never ever touches the ball with his right. Of course based on his stats he has still produced, but I'm limited in that sense that I can't see past his handicap.

[villalad21]

16 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Likely Traoré and King mate. 

The King speculations has completely died off. Doubt that one is happening.

Rashica and Traore likely to be the last pieces of our business. Maybe a midfielder

Edited September 14, 2020 by villalad21

[Vive_La_Villa]

3 minutes ago, villalad21 said:

The King speculations has completely died off. Doubt that one is happening.

Rashica and Traore likely to be the last pieces of our business. Maybe a midfielder

I admit it’s gone quiet with King but it’s still possible. Can’t see Rashica happening.

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

19 minutes ago, vazquez said:

Then again he will do nothing with his right leg so just focus on blocking his left and any chances to cut inside. Easy. Just like having basketball player with one hand.

 

BRILLIANT!

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN

[sne]

 

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

1 minute ago, sne said:

 

[dont_do_it_doug.]

1 hour ago, Trickster said:

These threads with writing off players before they have even kicked a ball for us are in a way fascinating because you already know the ones that are going to be ultra critical of their performances regardless.

Why not start neutral to a player joining Villa? Sure, feel disappointed and even critical if it's not the player you'd like but some posts go beyond that. Like, why already be seen to have an agenda when analysing performances during the season? It's a caveat everyone will know. I never really understand it.

The reverse is also mildly frustrating to me. For example, see Rashica. Bloke hasn't kicked a ball for the club, yet the expectation placed on his shoulders is of such a high standard that the likelihood of him meeting it is incredibly small. Thus, he is almost bound to fail. 

Maybe he is more of a 'sure thing' than Traore, quite honestly I do not know. But in both cases it would be far more prudent to adopt a wait and see approach. Tone it down a bit, either way. 

Edited September 14, 2020 by dont_do_it_doug.

[John]

6 minutes ago, vazquez said:

Ok, I base my opinion on just few of his YouTube highlights . But really never seen so one legged player in this level in attacking role before, never ever touches the ball with his right. Of course based on his stats he has still produced, but I'm limited in that sense that I can't see past his handicap.

It has been pointed out already that unlike Dudley Moore (when interviewed for the Tarzan vacancy below) Bertrand does have need for both trouser legs. 

[The Fun Factory]

3 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

The reverse is also incredibly frustrating to me. For example, see Rashica. Bloke hasn't kicked a ball for the club, yet the expectation placed on his shoulders is of such a high standard that the likelihood of him meeting it is incredibly small. Thus, he is almost bound to fail. 

Maybe he is more of a 'sure thing' than Traore, quite honestly I do not know. But in both cases it would be far more prudent to adopt a wait and see approach. Tone it down a bit, either way. 

Nonsense. Turn it up to 11. Sometimes right,sometimes wrong. Always certain.

[dont_do_it_doug.]

1 minute ago, The Fun Factory said:

Nonsense. Turn it up to 11. Sometimes right,sometimes wrong. Always certain.

This kind of attitude that leads people to making completely ridiculous statements like 'John McGinn isn't PL standard'

...on second thoughts, yeah lets have more of that. Good for a laff. 

[PieFacE]

41 minutes ago, robby b said:

Last night I was really positive about this deal because the stat I found was 21 goals in 80-something appearances for Lyon's first team since 2017. It wasn't till this morning that I saw he only scored 1 goal in 14 league starts last season, which surprised and disappointed me. : < That certainly was a poor season last season compared with his previous seasons. He has gone  downhill suddenly so I can understand Villalad21 and a few others not wanting this deal and Lyon fans wanting him to be sold.

But I'm thinking about how well he did in the other seasons and that with a new start at a new place with new teammates and coaches, maybe he can get back to high achievement again. We don't know what went on last season that resulted in his poor figures but it isn't a lack of footballing ability and talent when you look at his previous seasons, and that great montage of some of his goals (in this thread this morning). They're all superb skill.

I've read online multiple times that he was playing RWB last season mostly. Not sure how true that is.

[robby b]

15 minutes ago, PieFacE said:

I've read online multiple times that he was playing RWB last season mostly. Not sure how true that is.

Aha! Great! Thanks for this info, this changes things significantly then, I'm going to investigate it. If this is the case then it's understandable for him to have scored only once and to have had only three assists in the league last season out of just 14 starts.  I think Targett only scored one goal in the league last too (or maybe two?) Gilbert didn't score in the league.

Edited September 14, 2020 by robby b

[MaVilla]

54 minutes ago, robby b said:

Last night I was really positive about this deal because the stat I found was 21 goals in 80-something appearances for Lyon's first team since 2017. It wasn't till this morning that I saw he only scored 1 goal in 14 league starts last season, which surprised and disappointed me. : < That certainly was a poor season last season compared with his previous seasons. He has gone  downhill suddenly so I can understand Villalad21 and a few others not wanting this deal and Lyon fans wanting him to be sold.

But I'm thinking about how well he did in the other seasons and that with a new start at a new place with new teammates and coaches, maybe he can get back to high achievement again. We don't know what went on last season that resulted in his poor figures but it isn't a lack of footballing ability and talent when you look at his previous seasons, and that great montage of some of his goals (in this thread this morning). They're all superb skill.

 

11 minutes ago, PieFacE said:

I've read online multiple times that he was playing RWB last season mostly. Not sure how true that is.

Can't be 100% sure, but I believe the season he scored 1 in 3, he was the right side of a front 3.

Last season they played 3 at the back, so he either played as a rwb, some form of right midfielder, or didn't play at all.

The comparison to how we play and him fitting in would be the season he scored 1 in 3 for lyon. (Not last season)