The AVFC FFP thread

[villa89]

12 hours ago, Alakagom said:

The plan from day one was clear. Look at Championship goal scorers and assists table. And buy the top ones. Plus use Bruce's contacts at old clubs to get few loanies.

I honestly think there's wasn't much more to it

yep and the plan was also shit or bust, i.e. go all out for promotion with absolutely no long term planning whatsoever. Instead of buying young players with good potential who could be with the clubs for a few years or be sold for a profit, the plan was just spend the money and hope promotion would cover up the shortfall. The chickens are coming home to roost and we deserve all the FFP problems we have. 

[spiezels]

59 minutes ago, villa89 said:

yep and the plan was also shit or bust, i.e. go all out for promotion with absolutely no long term planning whatsoever. Instead of buying young players with good potential who could be with the clubs for a few years or be sold for a profit, the plan was just spend the money and hope promotion would cover up the shortfall. The chickens are coming home to roost and we deserve all the FFP problems we have. 

I’m sorry but if Xia had come in with all his money and first season just gone, actually, you can only have £20mill, the plan is to go youth and over a period of 5 years, get us out the league. We’d have run him out of town.

The plan almost worked. But shit happens. Now they’ve gotta sit down and make a new plan. 

I know we all want to know the ins and outs of the boards financial plan but they can’t just send out a press release revealing it all. Otherwise all the other clubs know our hand. 

Think a lot of villa fans need to take themselves off the forums and social media’s and sit tight for a bit. It’s not healthy all this bickering and speculating. No one know anything at the moment. 

Thats why the papers put out articles like the selling up one, not one quote in there from anyone about a take over or sale just the statement released by xia that had nothing to do with a sale. But they know villa fans will jump on it and the fear/anticipation does the rest. 

Edited June 5, 2018 by spiezels

[hippo]

Worrying footnote to this article - it seems we had cashflow problems in feb.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-put-alan-hutton-12648187

 

"Meanwhile, it has emerged that back in February, Villa cashed in future transfer revenue due on Jordan Amavi from Marseille and Carlos Sanchez from Fiorentina in exchange for immediate money to help their cash flow"

 

[BleedClaretAndBlue]

1 hour ago, Demitri_C said:

Wont his happen to boro too if they dont go up? They spent big and didn't go up.

Probably. They are basically Aston Villa, just a few years later. 

[ViewFromT2]

25 minutes ago, hippo said:

Worrying footnote to this article - it seems we had cashflow problems in feb.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-put-alan-hutton-12648187

 

"Meanwhile, it has emerged that back in February, Villa cashed in future transfer revenue due on Jordan Amavi from Marseille and Carlos Sanchez from Fiorentina in exchange for immediate money to help their cash flow"

 

Saw something about that (from a bluenose) on Twitter. Surely any cashflow problems should be eased going forward by relieving the ridiculously high wage burden?

[mrjc]

4 hours ago, TRO said:

Maybe the silence from Tony is a further attempt to get to grips with FFP.

Until that imposter is dealt with, we don't know where we are going.

I have no Interest in the accounts.....but it strikes me we are too honest and straight....perhaps a bit a few body swerves are required.

However, I have equally little interest in my club being owned by a Fitness expert or a director of Football either.

Tony, needs to just get on with this and in the mean time.....Martin Samuel's cohorts need to get out their feather quills and expose what a crock of Shite this FFP really is.

Yes, We have been the architect of our own demise.....but with relatively New owners like we have the legacy, should not be able to linger like it does.....its not protectionism, its preventionism....prevention from rectifying past incompetencies.

Its like a swamp and once you are in its hard to get out, a protectionist scheme, should not work like that.

I am not trying to get all gooey eyed in favour of our club here, but it strikes me that our kind of circumstances are basically confined to just a few clubs.....usually the ones with the big infrastuctures who are panicking to get back due to the commensurate overheads and are hastily making decisions to avoid the swamp.

maybe some of those decisions have been too hasty....but only Hindsight tells us that.

I do think an adult conversation with the league, ought to be sought in both camps, to identify any area's that our club has been harshly affected inadvertently by these punitive rules....Much is at stake here.....The football league is nothing without its clubs and here is a fine institution, that is genuinely struggling having missed out on an ambitious attempt to remedy itself, That should not be penalised to having to sell the kitchen sink.

Remember, We didn't get relegated.....We just missed out on Promotion.

Something, doesn't stack up here to me guys and this needs to be discussed at the highest level in the league.....I am not expecting special treatment, I expecting them to re visit our situation and re-examine the fairness that exists surrounding our case within FFP and see if any wiggle room is available to us.

Probably right about liaising with the league somehow. Although maybe we should have done that in year 1, rather than entering year 3 in a what seeems a sudden panic (in fairness, maybe we did). 

But as I said a few pages back, it’s our fault, not the rules’, in my opinion. Yes, we inherited a legacy whereby we are still paying for long contracts that we are getting little to no value from. But equally, we then exacerbated that problem but (a) throwing the kitchen sink at it and ending up with even more long contracts with no value and (b) then failing to deliver the required results (admittedly narrowly). 

From a responsible business management point of view - it has been poor. If the plan was so dependent on promotion, which is far from easy, then the plan was wrong. 

I hope we can manage it sensibly from here, but the time to start tackling this should have been when we got relegated - even if that would have been unpopular at the time. The rules, for me, aren’t the problem. 

[eddiemunster]

Anyone notice, that we seem to think we are the only club in the universe that is going to have some FFP problems?

Other teams, (and I think there will be possibly 9 or 10)will be in the same boat, but have their fans gone into panic meltdown like us, have they feck!!!

Lets just wait and see, and in the words of CPL Jones "Don't Panic".

[lapal_fan]

If you go to PornHub (or any other porn-tube website) and in the search bar type "Big dick **** tight asshole" (or anything like that) - then click the video, then when you're watching it (the big wee wee go into the tight bum bum) - I want you to pretend that I, Lapal_fan am the big wee wee and the little bum hole is FFP, and that's what I think of FFP. 

**** FFP.

 

Edited June 5, 2018 by lapal_fan

[Vive_La_Villa]

13 minutes ago, eddiemunster said:

Anyone notice, that we seem to think we are the only club in the universe that is going to have some FFP problems?

Other teams, (and I think there will be possibly 9 or 10)will be in the same boat, but have their fans gone into panic meltdown like us, have they feck!!!

Lets just wait and see, and in the words of CPL Jones "Don't Panic".

I don’t think we’ve gone in to panic meltdown yet. Haven’t heard anything about protests.

Out of interest, Sunderland aside, which club is in as much of a financial mess as us? 

Edited June 5, 2018 by Vive_La_Villa

[mikeyjavfc]

24 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I don’t think we’ve gone in to panic meltdown yet. Haven’t heard anything about protests.

Out of interest, Sunderland aside, which club is in as much of a financial mess as us? 

QPR

[John]

23 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I don’t think we’ve gone in to panic meltdown yet. Haven’t heard anything about protests.

Out of interest, Sunderland aside, which club is in as much of a financial mess as us? 

Derby and Small Heath may be two others as I understand it.  

[Rob182]

2 hours ago, villa89 said:

yep and the plan was also shit or bust, i.e. go all out for promotion with absolutely no long term planning whatsoever. Instead of buying young players with good potential who could be with the clubs for a few years or be sold for a profit, the plan was just spend the money and hope promotion would cover up the shortfall. The chickens are coming home to roost and we deserve all the FFP problems we have. 

We won’t have any FFP problems if we sell Grealish. That is the hard truth that people don’t want to admit.

The perfect model is always going to be to sell players for profit. But to do this you must sell a player while he’s on the up, instead of doing what we tend to do, which is sell them after they’ve gone downhill for about 3 seasons.

Ask anyone if they want to sell Grealish (which will be ALL profit), and the answer will always be ‘no’. They’d rather we scraped together selling the squad players for £500k each until we only have Grealish and Chester left.

[hippo]

3 minutes ago, Rob182 said:

We won’t have any FFP problems if we sell Grealish. That is the hard truth that people don’t want to admit.

The perfect model is always going to be to sell players for profit. But to do this you must sell a player while he’s on the up, instead of doing what we tend to do, which is sell them after they’ve gone downhill for about 3 seasons.

Ask anyone if they want to sell Grealish (which will be ALL profit), and the answer will always be ‘no’. They’d rather we scraped together selling the squad players for £500k each until we only have Grealish and Chester left.

* for 2018/19 we wouldn't have problems - going forward we might at the parachute payments go down to zero after this season.

[KSV]

3 minutes ago, hippo said:

* for 2018/19 we wouldn't have problems - going forward we might at the parachute payments go down to zero after this season.

thats when we start selling our best player from that season.. RHM or whoever breaks through. We are on our way to being a small feeder club. 

Sad. I think selling Grealish is our best hope whilst we still have some good players around. May give us a chance to buy a few or get a few in on loan as well to help them. 

[Nabby]

23 minutes ago, John said:

Derby and Small Heath may be two others as I understand it.  

Shef Wednesday made a big loss as well and have some well paid players on the books 

[hippo]

3 hours ago, eddiemunster said:

Anyone notice, that we seem to think we are the only club in the universe that is going to have some FFP problems?

Other teams, (and I think there will be possibly 9 or 10)will be in the same boat, but have their fans gone into panic meltdown like us, have they feck!!!

Lets just wait and see, and in the words of CPL Jones "Don't Panic".

I think the creaking reality could be that FFP wasn't\isn't the problem - there are ways around it. The real chicken that has come home to roost is that Dr Tony doesn't have the cash to underwrite those debts. I m just speculating but if that is the case we are in a very dark place indeed. 

[rodders0223]

3 hours ago, lapal_fan said:

If you go to PornHub (or any other porn-tube website) and in the search bar type "Big dick **** tight asshole" (or anything like that) - then click the video, then when you're watching it (the big wee wee go into the tight bum bum) - I want you to pretend that I, Lapal_fan am the big wee wee and the little bum hole is FFP, and that's what I think of FFP. 

**** FFP.

 

Keep going bebe.

[Nabby]

26 minutes ago, hippo said:

I think the creaking reality could be that FFP wasn't\isn't the problem - there are ways around it. The real chicken that has come home to roost is that Dr Tony doesn't have the cash to underwrite those debts. I m just speculating but if that is the case we are in a very dark place indeed. 

Even if he didn't it doesn't matter , QPR's owners wrote off 60mil and they still got hit with FFP penalties  that's why they have been fighting it 

[hippo]

1 minute ago, Nabby said:

Even if he didn't it doesn't matter , QPR's owners wrote off 60mil and they still got hit with FFP penalties  that's why they have been fighting it 

I am on about the consequences of having an owner that can't finance the debt - which is a bigger problem than FFP.

[richp999]

Under ffp we can only lose max 13m a season over three seasons (your last 2 seasons and a projection for the next). The max loss is actually 5m, but can go up to 13m if the owner directly funds the difference. 

For any years you have been in the prem, you can loose 105m. 

So last year, we had 1 prem year and 1 championship year, and a projection for the championship season just gone ; which would have meant over the 3 years we could have lost 131m.

This coming season all 3 years are championship years, the last 2 and the coming season. So the max loss over the three must be no more than 39m.

This is quite a jump from the 131m last year.

We really are losing a lot of money each year! 

There are ways around it though sponsorship etc.. 

This could be done, so the question is why hasn't it? 

I'm starting to think either Tony hasn't got the money, or doesnt want to spend it. 

Maybe he just had enough to fund a push into the Premier league, along with the parachute payments, and hoped once promoted he wouldn't have to put anything more in. 

It could all be fixed easily-but would take a stack of money - and its not being fixed, so that must mean tony doesn't have or won't put up the money.