John Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 15 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Would people rather see the club sell bodymoor to keep grealish, or keep the training ground that produced players like Jack, and selling Grealish? Personally flogging bodymoor would seem like a very bad idea imo. Could we do both? Wasn't it mentioned that Recon might like to buy it? £45m would seem reasonable to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Thanks @omariqy, that's made things look slightly more positive. Maybe we don't have to sell Grealish and Chester after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 I love Grealish but he's just one player who probably has the talent to be playing Premier League football next season. If he goes i'll be sad but it'll be worth it if it puts us in a better position to be promoted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Seems press reports suggest JT has agreed a substantial drop in wages to join derby . ‘I wonder if we even considered making him a reduced offer , interesting to see if Bruce gets his way over making Hutton an offer too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSteveUK Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 6 hours ago, omariqy said: Right I have had a go at an FFP spreadsheet!!! Two tables - the first shows the wages saved on the players leaving after their loan spells or contracts expiring. The second shows players who I would hope would leave and who are already scheduled to leave. Figures are estimates and I may have completely missed the point around wages saved (I read that you can use the total amount saved in this years FFP figures). I saw a neutral observer describe Hogan's contract as "eye-watering" - so there may be an underestimation there. And I understand that Axel will be coming back next year I that the Amavi fee will be in this years accounts - but why his wages since the transfer was made permanent ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 If we are forced to sell all our best players and not reinvest it we will get relegated. Do not think our youth players will step up and have us battling for playoffs. Id rather we kept decent players who wanted to stay and took a bloody points deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, ThunderPower_14 said: I love Grealish but he's just one player who probably has the talent to be playing Premier League football next season. If he goes i'll be sad but it'll be worth it if it puts us in a better position to be promoted. How will it put us in a better position? The money can't go to buying new players and making us better. And even if we could buy some they would not be better than him. Struggling to see how our position to get out the league improves with this sale. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 I feel like crying when I read this thread and about FFP. but then saying that imagine Xia bankrolled us big again and we failed to get promoted. Then he did one. I guess FFP prevents this kind of scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1984 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, omariqy said: Right I have had a go at an FFP spreadsheet!!! Two tables - the first shows the wages saved on the players leaving after their loan spells or contracts expiring. The second shows players who I would hope would leave and who are already scheduled to leave. Figures are estimates and I may have completely missed the point around wages saved (I read that you can use the total amount saved in this years FFP figures). Hi, Interesting list here. I might be stating the obvious but, we won't sell all of those players in all likely hood and free transfers/loan players will come in meaning we need that will go back onto the accounts. As far as I can see there isn't a way to meet FFP unless you get rid of all the people you are mentioning and not bring anyone in. Or Sell Jack plus the players mentioned to bring in some frees/loan players Or some sort of a mix with a new income stream such as selling the naming rights to the stadium/compensation for HS2 at bodymore? Edited June 2, 2018 by paul1984 fixed my post as I messed the layout up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Excuse my ignorance but would the money received from a new kit sponsor/ground renaming be included to reduce the amount we need to find? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 2, 2018 When are we even due this HS2 compensation? I assume that's part of phase 2 of HS2 so will be years away yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, paul1984 said: Hi, Interesting list here. I might be stating the obvious but, we won't sell all of those players in all likely hood and free transfers/loan players will come in meaning we need that will go back onto the accounts. As far as I can see there isn't a way to meet FFP unless you get rid of all the people you are mentioning and not bring anyone in. Or Sell Jack plus the players mentioned to bring in some frees/loan players Or some sort of a mix with a new income stream such as selling the naming rights to the stadium/compensation for HS2 at bodymore? True to an extent. We still have money left from Veretout and Westwood to come in. Plus maybe some Adama money. Then we have renaming bodymoor heath and any other way we can add revenue such as renaming the ground. If we can raise £10m from that then we have enough for some frees and loans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 minute ago, omariqy said: True to an extent. We still have money left from Veretout and Westwood to come in. Plus maybe some Adama money. Then we have renaming bodymoor heath and any other way we can add revenue such as renaming the ground. If we can raise £10m from that then we have enough for some frees and loans. Do I not like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 2 hours ago, SirSteveUK said: I saw a neutral observer describe Hogan's contract as "eye-watering" - so there may be an underestimation there. And I understand that Axel will be coming back next year I that the Amavi fee will be in this years accounts - but why his wages since the transfer was made permanent ?? 35k is eye watering for any Championship player IMO. I think a lot of those salary’s are overestimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 14 hours ago, Eastie said: Seems press reports suggest JT has agreed a substantial drop in wages to join derby . ‘I wonder if we even considered making him a reduced offer , interesting to see if Bruce gets his way over making Hutton an offer too. I don't think the club ever intended to make JT another offer particularly if we failed to go up. It seems to me the club had packed the bags of all our loan players for them within an hour of our playoff final defeat. Sad to see the likes of JT, Snodders and Johnstone rushed out of the door so hastily but it seems to me it was an early painful taste of our new brand Austerity Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, John said: I don't think the club ever intended to make JT another offer particularly if we failed to go up. It seems to me the club had packed the bags of all our loan players for them within an hour of our playoff final defeat. Sad to see the likes of JT, Snodders and Johnstone rushed out of the door so hastily but it seems to me it was an early painful taste of our new brand Austerity Villa. Jesus give the club a break. Their contracts ended with the final whistle, they were all due back to their Clubs. What did you expect the Villa to do, build a departure lounge on the side of Villa Park and get them all sitting in complimentary massage chairs with free WiFi for a few days? Edited June 3, 2018 by sidcow 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, sidcow said: Jesus give the club a break. Their contracts ended with the final whistle, they were all due back to their Clubs. What did you expect the Villa to do, build a departure lounge on the side of Villa Park and get them all sitting in complimentary massage chairs with free WiFi for a few days? Agreed their contracts had expired but it would have been nice to have been able to look at the possibility of offering new ones to one or two of them and keeping the heart of the team we had last season in the hope of having some prospect of promotion this. I appreciate that the club's cost cutting measures for FFP clearly include letting these players go I just wished there was some way other than weakening our first team so noticeably of doing it. I'm afraid that I can't pretend to be happy about seeing us facing a long stay in the wilderness because of the measures we are taking to satisfy the demands of FFP on our football club although I understand something has to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 22 hours ago, DCJonah said: How will it put us in a better position? The money can't go to buying new players and making us better. And even if we could buy some they would not be better than him. Struggling to see how our position to get out the league improves with this sale. What happens with Grealish is one of many decisions that will have to be made regarding how to structure our side for next year given our financial constraints, but it's the biggest deal we'll have and will make the biggest impact on our finances. Basically, are we better with Grealish and a poorer supporting cast or a more balanced side? It'll depend on a variety of factors. My main point was that if Grealish goes, he goes and my life as a Villa fan goes on. Maybe one day we'll get him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 On 02/06/2018 at 18:33, Eastie said: Seems press reports suggest JT has agreed a substantial drop in wages to join derby . ‘I wonder if we even considered making him a reduced offer , interesting to see if Bruce gets his way over making Hutton an offer too. I think Hutton will be more likely to stay than John Terry ever was. If we are honest, he is more dispensable than some of the others and going forward not in our interest to keep him especially under financial constraints. Huttons wages will already have been lower too. I'm assuming the board would prefer to invest more wisely for a defender. To be honest I wanted us to get Flint from last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1984 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 On 02/06/2018 at 18:14, sidcow said: When are we even due this HS2 compensation? I assume that's part of phase 2 of HS2 so will be years away yet. I don't know either but it will surely be before the work starts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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