gilbertoAVFC Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Hogan is nowhere near as bad as people make out. Happy to keep him. Good attitude, when his confidence is up he is very capable at this level. Kodjia has to be worth something surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, gilbertoAVFC said: Hogan is nowhere near as bad as people make out. Happy to keep him. Good attitude, when his confidence is up he is very capable at this level. Kodjia has to be worth something surely. Really ??? Hogan can barely stay upright, the ball often bounces off him, he can't beat a man, can't head a ball, can't retain possession. He is truly a woeful footballer I can't think of many players I have watched over the last 40 odd years who are so poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlico_Villa Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Rodders said: Mccormack we'd be lucky to sell for anything over £1m. Richards is sadly going nowhere. We need to get the best out of Hogan somehow In that case, more sensible to keep him than to sell at a loss and book that loss for FFP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post omariqy Posted May 31, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2018 For me Wyness has to go. I just can't believe we have got ourselves in the same mess as we did under Lerner. We had a massive financial advantage. Plenty of us warned against using an experienced squad made up of 30+ year olds and loanees. It was such a massive risk to take. I mean giving the likes of Neil Taylor 4 year contracts is baffling. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 31, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2018 Jack goes for 40 mill and the gap is only 25 mill as per that fan analysis then FFP is a thing of the past and a new manager has an adequate budget. No more massive contracts as Tony says (sustainable being key word). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jareth said: Jack goes for 40 mill and the gap is only 25 mill as per that fan analysis then FFP is a thing of the past and a new manager has an adequate budget. No more massive contracts as Tony says (sustainable being key word). I could live with that. But I think we will only get around £20m + Add ons I think much will be determined by what bids come in for what players - I think they are all up for sale provided the price is reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 The key is the profit we make on a player. All of that £40m would be classed as profit where as that wouldn't be the case when selling someone like Adomah, Hourihane etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Doesn't FFP conflict with the 'fit and proper owner test' that Tony went through before he could officially own Villa. Its a test to make sure he has funds to run a football club - but then we have another set of rules saying he can not use those funds !!!!! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, hippo said: Doesn't FFP conflict with the 'fit and proper owner test' that Tony went through before he could officially own Villa. Its a test to make sure he has funds to run a football club - but then we have another set of rules saying he can not use those funds !!!!! It's because FFP is more geared towards stopping another Man City than it is stopping another Portsmouth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Just now, MessiWillSignForVilla said: It's because FFP is more geared towards stopping another Man City than it is stopping another Portsmouth. Exactly it's a farce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, MessiWillSignForVilla said: It's because FFP is more geared towards stopping another Man City than it is stopping another Portsmouth. Unless you're Wolves. I know they went up but not without breaking FFP rules, they just hid it better than we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlico_Villa Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) Not to rub salt into our wounds, but I've looked at Recon's finances as well. Recon is not public so can't see their accounts, but 2 of the 5 companies it owns are, hence Financials available (converting from CNY into £): Lotus Health Group: Net Income of minus £10.9M. Based on today's share price it is worth £268M Roma Group: Net Income of minus £11.5K (Yes, that is thousands not millions, phew). Based on today's share price it is worth £21M These figures are after Tax and Debt Service, but even Operating Profit is negative. Would caveat that these are only 2 of Xia's companies. Lets hope the other 3 are profit-making. Edited May 31, 2018 by Pimlico_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 4 hours ago, gilbertoAVFC said: Hogan is nowhere near as bad as people make out. Happy to keep him. Good attitude, when his confidence is up he is very capable at this level. Kodjia has to be worth something surely. I presume you're not basing this Hogan statement on having seen him play for Villa. That is because he has looked abysmal in 100% of the games he's played, even when he scored. He does absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairdo Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Think you're being harsh on Hogan here. Yeah he hasn't scored lots but that's more down to the style/formation he's been played in. When he got 3 in 3 earlier in the year, we were playing some lovely attacking, possession based football. Something he needs. He's not the big lone target man that Bruce employs up top That and he never stops running when he's on the pitch. Chases everything 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted May 31, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Hairdo said: Think you're being harsh on Hogan here. Yeah he hasn't scored lots but that's more down to the style/formation he's been played in. When he got 3 in 3 earlier in the year, we were playing some lovely attacking, possession based football. Something he needs. He's not the big lone target man that Bruce employs up top That and he never stops running when he's on the pitch. Chases everything Spot on, Hogan in the right system with the team set up to suit him will get 20+ goals a season at this level. If Bruce is still manager though might as well flog him to offload the wages! Shouldn't we be trying to reach some sort of compromise with Richards? 90% of his wages for the year if he just **** off and dies immediately or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Hogan is a waste of space, yes the tactics haven't suited him but he has also missed a lot of sitters and generally good chances, plus his play on the ball is often a disaster. For his fee and reported wages north of £35k per week he has been an absolutely disgraceful signing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Hogan is a waste of space, yes the tactics haven't suited him but he has also missed a lot of sitters and generally good chances, plus his play on the ball is often a disaster. For his fee and reported wages north of £35k per week he has been an absolutely disgraceful signing. We will struggle to get anywhere near half what we paid for him as well - worked out to be a hugely disappointing signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Pimlico_Villa said: Not to rub salt into our wounds, but I've looked at Recon's finances as well. Recon is not public so can't see their accounts, but 2 of the 5 companies it owns are, hence Financials available (converting from CNY into £): Lotus Health Group: Net Income of minus £10.9M. Based on today's share price it is worth £268M Roma Group: Net Income of minus £11.5K (Yes, that is thousands not millions, phew). Based on today's share price it is worth £21M These figures are after Tax and Debt Service, but even Operating Profit is negative. Would caveat that these are only 2 of Xia's companies. Lets hope the other 3 are profit-making. but, debt is an asset \sarc I'd worry that there is all sorts of intergroup accounting gimmickry at play. Given the mass use of non-GAAP accounting by companies that have some level of transparency, Recon is a shady enterprise if ever there was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Could we not argue that the biggest loss came under a previous regime? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 3 hours ago, omariqy said: The key is the profit we make on a player. All of that £40m would be classed as profit where as that wouldn't be the case when selling someone like Adomah, Hourihane etc. So by that reckoning, even if we found some moron who was stupid enough to buy McCormack off us, unless they bought him for over £12 million none of that would affect FFP? Or am i wayyyyy wide of the mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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