PaulC Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I don't see it as the formation. It's decision making, touch, keeping the ball and finishing in some games. That's not down to the formation in my book. Keeping the ball is partly down to the formation i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, PaulC said: Keeping the ball is partly down to the formation i think. In theory, but when you watch him, it's just really poor ball retention at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 He’s missed big chances too, nothing to do with formation. We’re in a place we can rest a top player if he is out of sorts. We really should be doing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 442. 532. 433. Doesn't really matter. If his game is as bad as it was Saturday he won't play. Lacking any kind of touch or team play at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 On 20/10/2021 at 14:30, PaulC said: Is he out of form or just the 3-5-2 isn't suiting him. I don't mind who he picks as long as he gets rid of this 3-5-2 To be fair Paul, when it works in games i.e Man U......its hard to suddenly see fault in it. If its played right, meaning players buy in to it and MAKE it work, I don't see anything wrong with it. What I don't believe is....a system is going to bail us out of losing games....Players with a fierce determination to win , will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 On 20/10/2021 at 17:25, PaulC said: Keeping the ball is partly down to the formation i think. Its down to form, timing and confidence...and the innate technical ability in the first place. as one example....Last Season, Salah, lost it....but now has it back in abundance and its abundantly clear to see. Ollie will get it back, just has to keep working hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, TRO said: Its down to form, timing and confidence...and the innate technical ability in the first place. as one example....Last Season, Salah, lost it....but now has it back in abundance and its abundantly clear to see. Ollie will get it back, just has to keep working hard. That and the system too. You play two up top you are encouraging the long ball and also you are picking one less technical player so you are going to give it away more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I have to say that (imo) playing two strikers with six defenders inevitably starves our strikers supply line. Before someone says "Cash and Targett are playing as wing backs" the last thing Watkins and Ings need are aerial crosses. They need creative through balls on the deck. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 We could see something out of left field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, PaulC said: That and the system too. You play two up top you are encouraging the long ball and also you are picking one less technical player so you are going to give it away more. I think the long ball is encouraged, by no natural winger, being played at present....we are improvising, I accept that. c17% of all goals scored are in the air.....if you play one, its very difficult to win those balls.....we have to get them to play off each other. I am neither for it or against it.......I don't think its our main issue, but hey ho. I think Ollies dip in form is there for all to see, but I am not convinced its just down to playing in a 2. Edited October 21, 2021 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: We could see something out of left field. Please, go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 46 minutes ago, TRO said: I think the long ball is encouraged, by no natural winger, being played at present....we are improvising, I accept that. Yes exactly. Guess a modification would be to play Bailey when fully fit instead of Targett. We looked good against Everton when we went with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, PaulC said: Yes exactly. Guess a modification would be to play Bailey when fully fit instead of Targett. We looked good against Everton when we went with that. The problem is Paul, every game is different and we only have 11 players.....teams natuarlly try to exploit us, and we have to be ready and counter, thats part and parcel of the games strategic struggle. We can pick any formation and it has its advantages, and its disadvantages....its how the players apply themselves to the managers instructions and carry them out...its how well they do. A team full of 7's & 8s give you a good chance of win....for me, that is the main criteria. Edited October 21, 2021 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, TRO said: The problem is Paul, every game is different and we only have 11 players.....teams natuarlly try to exploit us, and we have to be ready and counter, thats part and parcel of the games strategic struggle. We can pick any formation and it has its advantages, and its disadvantages....its how the players apply themselves to the managers instructions and carry them out...its how well they do. A team full of 7's & 8s give you a good chance of win....for me, that is the main criteria. I'd like to know which of our players are on the ball most with this system because if its Mings, Targett or cash, rather than the good footballers like Luiz and Buendia its not working. Going back in time Brian Clough said when at Derby give the ball to Hinton because he can play and the same at Forest with Robertson. Edited October 22, 2021 by PaulC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 hours ago, PaulC said: I'd like to know which of our players are on the ball most with this system because if its Mings, Targett or cash, rather than the good footballers like Luiz and Buendia its not working. Going back in time Brian Clough said when at Derby give the ball to Hinton because he can play and the same at Forest with Robertson. Makes sense....but if you have players constantly loosing it,or giving it away cheaply, it raises concerns.....Jack was a player, who could keep it, we miss that element. I think full backs in general, see a lot of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, TRO said: Its down to form, timing and confidence...and the innate technical ability in the first place. as one example....Last Season, Salah, lost it....but now has it back in abundance and its abundantly clear to see. Ollie will get it back, just has to keep working hard. 31 goals in 51 games is hardly losing it but I take your point I suppose. Edited October 22, 2021 by Steero113 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Steero113 said: 31 goals in 51 games is hardly losing it but I take your point I suppose. I think it was Mane and Firminho that lost it last season but anyway I'm not convinced Watkins is out of form. His role is just dfifferent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I wonder if the crowds are affecting him too? Quite the step up from Brentford in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, AV82 said: I wonder if the crowds are affecting him too? Quite the step up from Brentford in the Championship. Personally I think it's a case of competition for places that's backfired . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Ollie really hurt Arsenal when he played against them last season. I would revert to 4-3-3 and have Ollie as the striker. Arsenal won’t be expecting that and we could really hurt them early doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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