TRO Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Having Ings at the club seems to have brought the worst out in Ollie, like he’s trying too hard to prove himself. Dilemna we have is Ollie isnt great in a 2 and Ings isnt great on his own. It seems : Ollie like to be played in, by ball players Danny likes to play one, two's off a partner. Its a bit early, IMV for us to be jumping to conclusions....time will tell. I would like to see Archer play with one of them, it could throw up another conundrum, if it worked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Archer definitely deserves some gametime whilst his confidence is high and Ollie is misfiring. Deano needs to show him no-one is undroppable. Bit disappointed a JPB hasnt really been given a chance yet, we didnt need to keep playing without wingers at home to Wolves. Still, its a long season, plenty of time to find some alrernative formulas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Having Ings at the club seems to have brought the worst out in Ollie, like he’s trying too hard to prove himself. Dilemna we have is Ollie isnt great in a 2 and Ings isnt great on his own. judging by Ollies reaction when Ings scores.....I don't think its anything personal. Ollie jumped on Danny's back on Saturday, when he scored, to celebrate. I think Ollie is beating himself up over his dip in performances, hence the Hump .....it seems the lay off at the start of the season has marred his momentum and maybe missing Jack, Jack was instrumental in much that Ollie did.....when Bailey and Emi 2 is firing, you might see Ollie back to his best. I think Ollie is a smashing player, who just needs to get his mojo back.....He will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Archer definitely deserves some gametime whilst his confidence is high and Ollie is misfiring. Deano needs to show him no-one is undroppable. Bit disappointed a JPB hasnt really been given a chance yet, we didnt need to keep playing without wingers at home to Wolves. Still, its a long season, plenty of time to find some alrernative formulas. I think the kids are great, but they have to find a level of intensity in this league, that allows them to stay on the pitch, to learn their trade....its a bit catch 22 If you saw Conor Gallagher last night( young player)....he highlights the level, you have to aim for to gain minutes......you can't just mosey on to the pitch and play a few one two's and expect to be given game time..you have to win your spurs and that means getting amongst the industrial stuff too. I have no idea where our kids are in terms of being ready, but we also have to understand the manager has to trust them, with their presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, TRO said: I think its already been said by another poster....It shouldn't stop a first touch or a searing run in to space or a fierce battle for the ball.. Sure it could affect some things, but other things are no system related. Ollie is playing very poorly by his own standards and his application is questionable, which I never saw last season. Ollie is playing like he has the hump. I think it's pretty obvious Ollie doesn't fancy playing in a pair. At all. He isn't looking to link up with Ings, he isn't looking for him. My feeling is Ollie wants to be THE guy. I'm 100 % confident we'd see a different Ollie in 4-3-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Ollie has his newborn child living at home with him now right, about a month old or so. I'd imagine that messes with both his sleep and his focus short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, villalad21 said: I think it's pretty obvious Ollie doesn't fancy playing in a pair. At all. He isn't looking to link up with Ings, he isn't looking for him. My feeling is Ollie wants to be THE guy. I'm 100 % confident we'd see a different Ollie in 4-3-3 If we did go 4-3-3 Ollie would still be the one that starts for me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, sne said: Ollie has his newborn child living at home with him now right, about a month old or so. I'd imagine that messes with both his sleep and his focus short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: Well if cartoon character Shouty McShoutface says so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 hours ago, PaulC said: If we did go 4-3-3 Ollie would still be the one that starts for me Not for me. He's been way off the pace so far. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Not for me. He's been way off the pace so far. I’m unsure if it’s the formation that has affected him, but I agree he’s seemed well off the pace. Its odd because it would’ve seemed unthinkable to be dropping Ollie, but on form you’ve got to go with Danny Ings if we revert to 4-3-3 with one ‘striker’. The biggest shock for me is that statistically he’s even pressing more than Ollie. Edited October 19, 2021 by Woody1000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) I’d go with Ings. We need to move away from trying to get all our best players on the pitch at the same time at the expense of the system. Edited October 20, 2021 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 22 hours ago, villalad21 said: I think it's pretty obvious Ollie doesn't fancy playing in a pair. At all. He isn't looking to link up with Ings, he isn't looking for him. My feeling is Ollie wants to be THE guy. I'm 100 % confident we'd see a different Ollie in 4-3-3 I don’t think it’s that he doesn’t fancy it I just think his natural instinct is to get a shot off. Same with Ings. Nothing to do with wanting to be the guy. It’s just their natural game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Has been a big disappointment so far this season, yes he was injured but his touch has gotten worse. I really hope he can up his game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 16 hours ago, DCJonah said: Not for me. He's been way off the pace so far. I agree. We cannot keep waiting for players to come in to form, no matter how much we like them.....I love Ollie on form....but he has to know, poor form will not be rewarded and the others will see that too. its setting standards....some of our big names have to understand, that they will not be in every game, for rotation purposes too, when they are all fit. its not a headache, its strong management. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Is he out of form or just the 3-5-2 isn't suiting him. I don't mind who he picks as long as he gets rid of this 3-5-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I think he isn't happy Ing's has come in. Can effect you mentally, knowing he was number 1 before he came in, an could get on the end of almost everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Unthinkable 4 months ago but i'd sit him out if Bailey is anywhere near Arsenal. Ings has even been outdoing him in pressing stats which is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Bench him. He could be an asset to bring on late against tired legs anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 hours ago, PaulC said: Is he out of form or just the 3-5-2 isn't suiting him. I don't mind who he picks as long as he gets rid of this 3-5-2 I don't see it as the formation. It's decision making, touch, keeping the ball and finishing in some games. That's not down to the formation in my book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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