TRO Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 13 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: This. I feel dirty saying this but the Ings signing felt like something to placate the fans having lost Grealish. I’m not sure there was a plan behind it at all. Stunk of a panic signing. I think many more clubs than us would have taken him....I thought and still think it was a coup. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, nick76 said: Somebody said to me yesterday that the reason they thought the Watkins/Ings wasn’t working is due to Watkins being so off form. I wasn’t quite convinced but they said he’s struggling with his connection with most players at the moment but obviously the focus is on Ings and him, and Watkins link with other players gets missed. I did notice some of it during the game then as well. I agree....Ollie is way off it, thats the issue in my book....yesterday Max Kilman bullied him too, with little response....he is finding the going tough. To blame the ings partnership, I think is a cop out. Edited October 17, 2021 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted October 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2021 I think the front office was concerned something like this slump could happen to Ollie, and needed to make sure we had a top goal scorer in any event. They made the right call. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Its hard to say whether is the system or him but I'm not giving up on him. He will come good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, PaulC said: Its hard to say whether is the system or him but I'm not giving up on him. He will come good. He is just not having this formation. Play him alone up top in 4-3-3 and we see a different Ollie, I'm sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 37 minutes ago, villalad21 said: He is just not having this formation. Play him alone up top in 4-3-3 and we see a different Ollie, I'm sure. I agree with this. Arsenal have really struggled against him in recent fixtures, playing as a lone striker. Let’s revert to that on Friday and give it to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exeter Fan Too Posted October 18, 2021 Visiting Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2021 there have always been two obvious problems with the pairing of Ings and Watkins up front. Inside the penalty area Ings key area is sniffing out the half chances; Watkins spent last season learning to run into these positions. Outside the penalty area Watkins key area is running into the space beyond the defence;. This season much of the space up front is occupied by Ings and the defender marking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 We have to drop either him or Ings. Just not working. For the way we play I’d drop Ings even if that seems harsh on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, bose said: We have to drop either him or Ings. Just not working. For the way we play I’d drop Ings even if that seems harsh on him. But Ollie is well off form whereas Ings while not firing on all cylinders is at least productive. Ings starts for me at the moment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 29 minutes ago, nick76 said: But Ollie is well off form whereas Ings while not firing on all cylinders is at least productive. Ings starts for me at the moment. It’s such a difficult decision. Ollie leads the press, but as you say he’s not re-producing last season’s form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I think it depends on who else plays up front.If Bailey/Trarore or AEG then we need Olly to take advantage of the crosses.If 2 out of those three dont play then we need Ings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, nick76 said: But Ollie is well off form whereas Ings while not firing on all cylinders is at least productive. Ings starts for me at the moment. Yeah I agree with Ollie clearly being out of form. He has been very good against Arsenal so I hope he’ll recapture his form on Friday. Nothing wrong with starting Ings though. We really need Bailey fit and abandon the 3-5-2 system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Drop him for the game against Arsenal, need to be ruthless. Ing's is the man, let him loose, don't waste him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digavilla Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Think Watkins can be use on the left , if Bailey is not playing .. he’s started as a winger at Brentford with Maupay in the middle if I remember correctly. Ings should be the middle as he’s finish is better & also can read passes better from Bhundia in the middle .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 On 17/10/2021 at 21:47, villalad21 said: He is just not having this formation. Play him alone up top in 4-3-3 and we see a different Ollie, I'm sure. I think its already been said by another poster....It shouldn't stop a first touch or a searing run in to space or a fierce battle for the ball.. Sure it could affect some things, but other things are no system related. Ollie is playing very poorly by his own standards and his application is questionable, which I never saw last season. Ollie is playing like he has the hump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Digavilla said: Think Watkins can be use on the left , if Bailey is not playing .. he’s started as a winger at Brentford with Maupay in the middle if I remember correctly. Ings should be the middle as he’s finish is better & also can read passes better from Bhundia in the middle .. My understanding is....Ollie has categorically ruled out playing out wide. I guess he has an England place to think of and he is not risking that. I would guess this kind of thing, Dean is well aware of, it how he deals with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 21 hours ago, nick76 said: But Ollie is well off form whereas Ings while not firing on all cylinders is at least productive. Ings starts for me at the moment. Me Too. also Danny looks up for it.....Ollie looks like he has the Hump. I think It could affect Team spirit to see a player who is up for it, left out for a player in melancholy mode.....another reason why Hause would be in for me. I like good attitude, its contagious in a group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digavilla Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, TRO said: My understanding is....Ollie has categorically ruled out playing out wide. I guess he has an England place to think of and he is not risking that. I would guess this kind of thing, Dean is well aware of, it how he deals with it? I will be disappoint if Ollie refuse to play wide , as Villa ‘s is the priority, not his England ambitions. He’s not CR7/ Messi level who’s marketing income allow them to dictate where they want to play. Hope Dean can be strong on this, as if every player can chose where they want to play why we need Dean than ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Having Ings at the club seems to have brought the worst out in Ollie, like he’s trying too hard to prove himself. Dilemna we have is Ollie isnt great in a 2 and Ings isnt great on his own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, Digavilla said: I will be disappoint if Ollie refuse to play wide , as Villa ‘s is the priority, not his England ambitions. He’s not CR7/ Messi level who’s marketing income allow them to dictate where they want to play. Hope Dean can be strong on this, as if every player can chose where they want to play why we need Dean than ? I am speculating on the reasons, but yes, Dean needs to stand strong on this. These are the ideal moments to show who is boss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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