Xela Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: The one good thing out of all of this is that it is unlikely a Corona type virus will be able to do this again. The development of the Vaccine using multiple methods to crack the problem means we now have techniques that will allow us to create specific made to measure vaccines in the future a lot more easily and quickly. The virus will always have the spikes and we now know what to do. For future generations that's one positive. At the start of this it was thought by some a vaccine could never be made. Its a great achievement if the vaccine is successful. In 9 months the world has combined to find a cure to the deadly virus. Obviously thrown all the money at it. Makes you wonder if a cure for cancer, or say the common cold/flu, could be done, if companies/governments showed the same level of support. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Xela said: Makes you wonder if a cure for cancer, or say the common cold/flu, could be done, if companies/governments showed the same level of support. I’m amazed there isn’t a cure for any cancer yet. Whilst it hasn’t had coronavirus levels of effort it has had billions of pounds invested in it for several decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Quote A room, a bar and a classroom: how the coronavirus is spread through the air The risk of contagion is highest in indoor spaces but can be reduced by applying all available measures to combat infection via aerosols. Here is an overview of the likelihood of infection in three everyday scenarios, based on the safety measures used and the length of exposure https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html Do look at a sensible explanation. If anyone's seen better? Please put it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Xela said: Makes you wonder if a cure for cancer, or say the common cold/flu, could be done, if companies/governments showed the same level of support. So many shades of both. A single cure for colds or cancers would be near miraculous. Chances of surviving bowel cancer have considerably improved, if detected early? Lung and pancreatic cancer remain largely lethal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post trekka Posted November 20, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) Worth noting that there have been huge advances in immunotherapy for the most lethal of cancers. My Mum was diagnosed with lung cancer at stage 3A, was offered the trial (which she accepted) and is now cancer free. It later turns out that she wasn't on the immunotherapy drug (which the doctors were surprised at given at how well she responded) but it is clear that they are making huge strides - she still keeps in touch with the team and other survivors. Edited November 20, 2020 by trekka 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 20, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, Xela said: Makes you wonder if a cure for cancer, or say the common cold/flu, could be done Not a cure but I would imagine a common cold vaccine, is a mere hop and a skip away from the current one, same family of virus and all that. Hell for all we know, one of these vaccines may effectively already do the job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, bickster said: Not a cure but I would imagine a common cold vaccine, is a mere hop and a skip away from the current one, same family of virus and all that. I thought that but it's not, the common cold virus is not the same as this corona type as it works differently, the same methods won't work on the cold virus & it changes too quick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I heard there’s already a cure for colds, aches, and pains but an evil Satan worshipping cabal that owns Beechams is blocking it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, bickster said: Not a cure but I would imagine a common cold vaccine, is a mere hop and a skip away from the current one, same family of virus and all that. Hell for all we know, one of these vaccines may effectively already do the job Big business cold and flu ‘remedies’.....be interesting to see how that plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 20, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Big business cold and flu ‘remedies’.....be interesting to see how that plays out. Big business, cold jab, £15 from your pharmacist, every year. I very much doubt any government will pay for a cold vaccine for everyone. A cold isn't going to kill you. People in general would however be willing to pay not to get one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted November 20, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2020 8 hours ago, villakram said: You are making the mistake of presenting ideal/laboratory use cases and imagining that is what is happening in everyday life. I am looking at the actual data in the actual world we live in. The large outbreaks ongoing globally, in the presence of large scale mask wearing empirically demonstrates that in practice masks are of little to no practical use. or just imagine how much worse it would be if no one wore masks. 5 hours ago, villakram said: What evidence? and how am I eager to demonstrate how useless masks are? What a time to be alive, where simply looking at the available data and comparing it to expected outcomes turns one into some form of lunatic. The real world differs from the lab. Lot's of things that work in the lab don't work in the real world, e.g., see the pharma world and the amount of mouse and other models that fail. See physics, where theoretical models are consistently being overturned by new data. In physics as a purer science field, that very process is precisely what science is. Here, lab work and common sense show that masks should be effective. Unfortunately, the data out in the wild contradicts this assumption (which you have done no more than repeat). In contrast, mask and PPE usage/protocol have clearly been shown to be actually effective in controlled hospital settings (although, see MRSA and all the other issues endemic therein). The reasons why are not clear, hence my pointing to your post from a few pages back as the suspicion is that the behavior you outlined may help to explain things. All of this also ignores hygienic issues around repeated and/or longterm mask usage (wearing a mask for 8 hrs leads to interesting bacteria and fungal growth, for example) or the reduced blood oxygenation that wearing a mask causes. Yes it’s not a lab, a lot of people refuse to wear masks despite the evidence, or wear them around their chin or off their nose, or take it off to cough. It’s those human elements that are the problem, not the masks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 hours ago, bickster said: Big business, cold jab, £15 from your pharmacist, every year. I very much doubt any government will pay for a cold vaccine for everyone. A cold isn't going to kill you. People in general would however be willing to pay not to get one Yep but there isn’t the pressure of necessity to do it, so I think it’s interesting to see if it happens. As has been said, it belongs in the same family of virus so you’d think it would be more than possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted November 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) In the last week and a half, my Dad, his wife and my uncle have all tested positive. Edited November 21, 2020 by Rds1983 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted November 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, Rds1983 said: In the last week and a half my Dad, his wife and my uncle have all tested positive. All the best to your family. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted November 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, trekka said: All the best to your family. Thanks, they're 50s and 60s so not the worst age range but not the best. Dad feels rough, achey and with an awful headache but the chest/cough isn't so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 49 minutes ago, Rds1983 said: Thanks, they're 50s and 60s so not the worst age range but not the best. Dad feels rough, achey and with an awful headache but the chest/cough isn't so bad. All the best mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 Quote Summary What is already known about this this topic? Wearing face masks in public spaces reduces the spread of SARS-CoV-2. What is added by this report? The governor of Kansas issued an executive order requiring wearing masks in public spaces, effective July 3, 2020, which was subject to county authority to opt out. After July 3, COVID-19 incidence decreased in 24 counties with mask mandates but continued to increase in 81 counties without mask mandates. What are the implications for public health practice? Countywide mask mandates appear to have contributed to the mitigation of COVID-19 transmission in mandated counties. Community-level mitigation strategies emphasizing use of masks, physical distancing, staying at home when ill, and enhanced hygiene practices can help reduce the transmission of SARS-CoV-2. Link 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 21, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: Link No, that's hearsay and not scientific. cite proper scientific evidence please, especially scientific evidence that doesn't say what I think it says 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dom_Wren Posted November 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2020 Got my results back tonight. Positive.....WANK! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Dom_Wren said: Got my results back tonight. Positive.....WANK! glad you’re taking the bad news well! (hope you’re alright Dom!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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