Reivax_Villa Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Just now, MotoMkali said: I think archers struggles were caused by the anonymity of Buendia and McGinn. They really didn't fill the spaces left behind by Archer on his runs which made him very isolated. And neither really tried to play off of him which is really what let his partnership with akpom shine. The one real time we passed around the area and tried to bet the ball to Archer he got a one on one where if he wasn't tripped he probably scores. that is another good point. Buendia & Mcginn were unable to execute those forward passes, they were either intercepted or over hit.. and we didn't have a lot of possession throughout the game. The good thing with Archer is that he is very cool and calm and he didn't let those missed opportunities get inside his head.. He showed very good body language during and after the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 The weather was working against him (and the others) yesterday tbh - not ideal when you're trying to prove yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Archer looked good to me, a bit more luck and he would have had a brace, but I can't wait to see what he can do in the Prem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 As a whole, I am glad he is part of the managers plans at the moment and given a chance to stake his claim for this season. Hopefully he gets up to speed with the first team soon and starts banging the goals home. I'm sure it won't be too long before that happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 19 minutes ago, Reivax_Villa said: I watched him play last night. He is not the type of player to impose himself on defenders like Ollie Watkins.. We are not going to see the robust all action display so it can come across as underwhelming because we are not used to seeing that type of performance from a striker.. If I am being honest, it wasn't his best display and he would get a 5/10 for that performance. The Fulham centre back pairing was a 17 year old Canadian named Fougerolles & Diop.. It was Fougerolles's inexperience that caused him to concede the penalty.. I really like Archer and I think that he is a big talent.. I think that he should have taken a longer break after the winning the Euro Championship but I guess he was eager to impress and stake a claim in the squad.. He will get plenty more opportunities, games like these are beneficial to his development this season.. BUT it will take him a while to get going I think.. if that is the young right back he went on to have an excellent game iirc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Just now, TheMelvillan said: if that is the young right back he went on to have an excellent game iirc No he was the rcb. The rb was also good but he's 27 not young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 just rewatching the game, tbh i think he just looks like he is trying a little too hard, and by doing so is over thinking, or overcooking things. A couple of times he had half chances, where normally he wouldnt think, he would just take it, be clinical and bury it, where as in those chances last night he just didnt seem to be able to act on instinct as much, its like he was thinking too much. Not unexpected tho tbh, he clearly really wants to be in that first team squad, and he's prob just.....trying/thinking too hard at mo, rather than trusting the instinct that got him here in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 The run and touch to win the pen - that's what he would give us! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 3 hours ago, MaVilla said: just rewatching the game, tbh i think he just looks like he is trying a little too hard, and by doing so is over thinking, or overcooking things. A couple of times he had half chances, where normally he wouldnt think, he would just take it, be clinical and bury it, where as in those chances last night he just didnt seem to be able to act on instinct as much, its like he was thinking too much. Not unexpected tho tbh, he clearly really wants to be in that first team squad, and he's prob just.....trying/thinking too hard at mo, rather than trusting the instinct that got him here in the first place. Can happen when you're so desperate to impress the manager. So, so difficult to break through these days, the window of opportunity is sometimes a matter of minutes long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Can happen when you're so desperate to impress the manager. So, so difficult to break through these days, the window of opportunity is sometimes a matter of minutes long. But if a manager knows his stuff, he'll spot the potential/ability and forgive the (hopefully very short term) nervousness or over eagerness, whatever you wanna call it. And Emery certainly does. Edited July 27, 2023 by Tom13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted July 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) It’s hard on social media not to become a fanboy advocate for or perennial critic of certain players. Archer and Bailey are two players where I feel like opinions sometimes can’t be easily disentangled from people’s hardened opinions. (I myself am an admitted Bailey proponent.) Cam would benefit from the same patience Ollie got, but Ollie was playing conference league on loan to Weston at Cameron’s age! I think Emery likes young players, but he has a ruthless side, too. Still, he’s going to keep Cameron in the mix this fall. Hasn’t he already said this? Done deal. I don’t believe another forward is coming in any case. He and Jhonny will be vying for second choice. Edited July 27, 2023 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted July 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, MotoMkali said: Archer flattened Joelinton vs Newcastle and sent Lacelles to his arse twice. ..: And oh how fun it was to witness. Joelinton is one of my least favorite characters in football. Lascelles did best him one on one, too, pretty emphatically. Edited July 27, 2023 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 28 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: And oh how fun it was to witness. Joelinton is one of my least favorite characters in football. Lascelles did best him one on one, too, pretty emphatically. That Vinicius character for Fulham is a chopper as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted July 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2023 Does anyone think JPB May have gone above him in the pecking order after this tour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 7 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: As a whole, I am glad he is part of the managers plans at the moment and given a chance to stake his claim for this season. Hopefully he gets up to speed with the first team soon and starts banging the goals home. I'm sure it won't be too long before that happens. And he’s got a great and ready made goal celebration too!perhaps we should play the Robin Hood theme over the tannoy when he scores as well? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Marka Ragnos said: And oh how fun it was to witness. Joelinton is one of my least favorite characters in football. Lascelles did best him one on one, too, pretty emphatically. I mean he got a tackle in success rates in take on situations like that are generally under 50% lower since there was no pass on and sprinting down the wing wasn't viable due to how close he was to the touch line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 6 hours ago, Tom13 said: The run and touch to win the pen - that's what he would give us! Yeah I didn’t see the game but surprised by the comments saying he didn’t do much when he won a pen… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Follyfoot said: Does anyone think JPB May have gone above him in the pecking order after this tour? not sure of the relevance tbh, as they play in different positions. I wish Archer all the best, but tbh, i dont think he has done much so far in pre-season, hopefully he will relax and bang a few in, over the next few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted July 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: Yeah I didn’t see the game but surprised by the comments saying he didn’t do much when he won a pen… It sort of just wasn't his day. That's how I see it. He came close to scoring, he just by a whisker went offsides twice in great positions, he missed a pen shot the fulham keeper expertly stopped, etc. You hearing a theme here? Almost but not quite. I think he has earned more chances to prove himself despite a lack of results he himself was clearly frustrated by. Edited July 27, 2023 by Marka Ragnos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Follyfoot said: Does anyone think JPB May have gone above him in the pecking order after this tour? Philo-Gene is not a striker You're just the guy that says that he is the nine Edited July 28, 2023 by Kiwivillan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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