Zatman Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 44 minutes ago, Mazrim said: There are few people I dislike more than Danny fecking Murphy. He's got a scrunched up goblin face, he's boring, droning and talks absolute bollocks. I really don't know why he gets air time. Horrible pointless little scrote. The Liverpool media quota. One of the most bizarre things in sport 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 22, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just to be clear, Dean Smith thinks that football is like a game of chess and you always have to be 2 moves ahead of your opponents. This guy is about as far removed from Steve Bruce as it's possible to get. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keener window-cleaner Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Meanwhile in Monaco 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, Keener window-cleaner said: Meanwhile in Monaco To be fair it's ONE game, so we shouldn't go gloating just yet. It could easily pick up for them and go tits up for us. I'll start giving in the big un in about 10 games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_Wren Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 With the backing he’ll seemingly get, and everything I’ve read and seen. He’ll get it very right. Our Eddie Howe as someone else mentioned. If he doesn’t. I’ll piss in the corners of villa park ala Barry fry to get rid of the curse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted October 23, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Dom_Wren said: With the backing he’ll seemingly get, and everything I’ve read and seen. He’ll get it very right. Our Eddie Howe as someone else mentioned. If he doesn’t. I’ll piss in the corners of villa park ala Barry fry to get rid of the curse. It would make a change to see us do anything from a corner! Have a poo while you’re there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 hours ago, sidcow said: Just to be clear, Dean Smith thinks that football is like a game of chess and you always have to be 2 moves ahead of your opponents. This guy is about as far removed from Steve Bruce as it's possible to get. It’s amazing how amazed we are by having a coach that seems to be able to coach. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted October 23, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 hours ago, sidcow said: Just to be clear, Dean Smith thinks that football is like a game of chess and you always have to be 2 moves ahead of your opponents. This guy is about as far removed from Steve Bruce as it's possible to get. if i can dare to defend bruce, i think he (and every other manager) will treat the game as you described, the difference between bruce and (hopefully) smith is that his moves were wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 23, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2018 12 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: When I don't understand a word or a somewhat technical phrase I'll put a bit of research in, ask questions of those I feel might be more knowledgeable than me in the chosen subject. There's a fantastic book by James Wilson called 'Inverting the Pyramid' which details the evolution of tactics over the last century and beyond. I'd recommend it to you but I am 110% certain you wouldn't read it. I'm confident Ron Saunders had a tactical philosophy. So did Steve Bruce, it was just a decade out of date. Dean Smith isn't reinventing the wheel here, he's simply choosing to clue the fans in on what we are trying to do rather than treating them like idiots who won't be able to understand complicated words like 'overload', or put the effort in to find out what they mean in a football context. Maybe he has overestimated us. *Jonathan Wilson Sorry, it's one of my favourite books and he's definitely my favourite football writer. That book is fascinating and I'd recommend basically any of his other books too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 On 20/10/2018 at 20:03, hippo said: 110% Effort from the great Ron Saunders never did us any harm - bet he didn't set traps - or force an overload - it sounds like a load of wank to me. I bet Steve Bruce would say the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 12 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: When I don't understand a word or a somewhat technical phrase I'll put a bit of research in, ask questions of those I feel might be more knowledgeable than me in the chosen subject. There's a fantastic book by James Wilson called 'Inverting the Pyramid' which details the evolution of tactics over the last century and beyond. I'd recommend it to you but I am 110% certain you wouldn't read it. I'm confident Ron Saunders had a tactical philosophy. So did Steve Bruce, it was just a decade out of date. Dean Smith isn't reinventing the wheel here, he's simply choosing to clue the fans in on what we are trying to do rather than treating them like idiots who won't be able to understand complicated words like 'overload', or put the effort in to find out what they mean in a football context. Maybe he has overestimated us. I wonder if Dean Smith always honours his bets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 23, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: It’s amazing how amazed we are by having a coach that seems to be able to coach. The revolution taking place is revolutionary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: The revolution taking place is revolutionary This is literally the best post that’s ever been posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted October 23, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, tomav84 said: if i can dare to defend bruce, i think he (and every other manager) will treat the game as you described, the difference between bruce and (hopefully) smith is that his moves were wrong I agree. I'm excited by Dean Smith, but I do think people are getting a bit carried away by a few interviews. Villa managers always sound good when we first sign them. Pretty sure we were saying great stuff about Bruce's interviews when he first arrived. And I know we were saying great stuff about managers like Lambert and Garde. I remember the discussion about how great Garde's tactics seemed to be after his first game when we drew 0-0 with Man City compared to the shit show that Sherwood was serving up before it. I'm not being negative. I'm very optimistic about Smith being here. But I do think people might be getting a bit carried away by a couple of interviews and press conferences. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I agree. I'm excited by Dean Smith, but I do think people are getting a bit carried away by a few interviews. Villa managers always sound good when we first sign them. Pretty sure we were saying great stuff about Bruce's interviews when he first arrived. And I know we were saying great stuff about managers like Lambert and Garde. I remember the discussion about how great Garde's tactics seemed to be after his first game when we drew 0-0 with Man City compared to the shit show that Sherwood was serving up before it. I'm not being negative. I'm very optimistic about Smith being here. But I do think people might be getting a bit carried away by a couple of interviews and press conferences. Agree. I’ve always said a manager can say what he wants when we’re winning games. I guarantee if we lost a few games in a row the fans wouldn’t be so happy to hear references to chess games and traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 23, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Agree. I’ve always said a manager can say what he wants when we’re winning games. I guarantee if we lost a few games in a row the fans wouldn’t be so happy to hear references to chess games and traps. Well exactly. People were sick of bruce's interviews, but really they were sick of our results. People read too much into what managers say to the press. And usually if we're winning games then everyone is happy with what is said and when we're losing games people are unhappy. On VT every interview is picked apart and overanalysed to death. I'm not saying what Smith is saying is bad. Quite the opposite. I like what we are hearing and he's saying the right things. It does sound like he's looking for a more up to date approach, let's say, than Bruce. But talking a good game and implementing a good game are two different things entirely. I guess I just don't want people to be hard on the guy if things aren't suddenly revolutionised. Edited October 23, 2018 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 10 hours ago, sidcow said: Dean Smith thinks that football is like a game of chess and you always have to be 2 moves ahead of your opponents. Bruce thinks that football is like a game of tiddlywinks... You fire them around and hope for the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wilko154 Posted October 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2018 Have to say I was massively impressed on Saturday, the difference in the way we played football was outstanding in the short time he had with the players. Things that impressed were: Playing out from the back consistently. Chester and Tuanzebe were dropping into the sides of the box when Nyland had the ball, it immediately gives an option for an out ball with both full backs already higher up the pitch. It also pulls in the whole opposition team as they look to stop the out ball, and mark the midfielders who are waiting on the edge of the box for a ball out. For too long balls out from the back have been lumped forward and come straight back at us. Players in the right positions. Taylor and Hutton both in their correct positions, with Tuanzebe at centre back. Grealish being played centrally with two wingers on each side. The whole team looked more of a unit from this, Taylor deserves some credit as he was brilliant at left back and it made a massive difference having a left footed player in that position. Confidence. The confidence in the team was clear to see. Nyland and Taylor both had strong games, and Tuanzebe looked very assured at centre back. Chester also looked much more relaxed. Consistently playing this back 4 will now allow them to grow even further and become a defensive unit that we really need. Pressing. We pressed for around 70 minutes before some of the team tired, Smith then made the substitutes to continue this but they weren't too effective (Kodjia/Bolasie). Pressing isn't something we have done enough of and we usually invite pressure onto us especially in the closing stages of a game. McGinn was exceptional in this role and it really plays to his strengths. Things I hope we now look at and begin to change: Set pieces need working on. At the start of the season McGinn was putting some incredible balls into the box from corners and free kicks, since then we seem to have Grealish or Hourihane taking the majority. I wouldn't mind McGinn being given more of these along with getting some work done on set pieces in general. The amount of corners we waste from under hitting, or over hitting balls into the box is just daft. Leave a man up top for opposition corners. Just leave Grealish up there, he's hardly going to win a header and it immediately gives us an out ball, or something for the opposition to think about when the ball comes out. Currently the ball is cleared and they have plenty of time to either smash it back in or start another attack. Hutton was decent in the second half, but he was poor in the first half (possibly from not playing right back for a while). Given some time this season I would like to see Bree brought through and given a chance to take the right back spot. Passing was at times off, but Smith has mentioned this in his pre-match interview and I think this will be worked on soon. Abraham was the worst for this in the first half giving away possesion a few times, that being said he had a good game. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted October 23, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, sidcow said: The revolution taking place is revolutionary This revolution will be televised (tonight on sky sports). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Well exactly. People were sick of bruce's interviews, but really they were sick of our results. People read too much into what managers say to the press. And usually if we're winning games then everyone is happy with what is said and when we're losing games people are unhappy. On VT every interview is picked apart and overanalysed to death. I'm not saying what Smith is saying is bad. Quite the opposite. I like what we are hearing and he's saying the right things. It does sound like he's looking for a more up to date approach, let's say, than Bruce. But talking a good game and implementing a good game are two different things entirely. I guess I just don't want people to be hard on the guy if things aren't suddenly revolutionised. Couldn't agree more. If Smith wins games I will like him - if he doesn't I won't. What he says or doesn't say doesn't matter to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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