useless Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Well they've gone from strength to strength because of the money they've spent since Smith left, before they spent that money they finished 11th in Frank's first season, lower in the table and with less points than they finished the season before when Smith was in charge. Smith at Brentford didn't have anything like the kind of money that Frank has had to spend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peter Griffin Posted October 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Silly me, I forgot seasons get split into sections to suit an agenda. Ridiculous. Show me a team other than man city, that don't dip when they lose their best player. Klopp without VVD went from champions to worst title defence in league history. Spurs are not the same team without Kane. Wolves dropped massively without Jimenez last season. You and a few others just create these unrealistic expectations, that don't exist in football, as a way to criticise the manager of your club. What have you against dealing with what is happening on the pitch? I am happy we got 55 points but I am not happy it was split between an excellent half and a terrible half. I am even less happy it looks like we were dependant on one player who is no longer at the club. Do you not recognise this as a problem for Villa? Try not think that we all have an agenda, maybe try thinking that some of us actually want what is best for Aston Villa whether that is with or without Dean Smith. I would love Dean to stay as manager for the next 10 years but if he is not good enough I do not want to keep Dean Smith just because he is a nice guy, a Villa fan and has done well with us in the last few years. AVFC will always come first for me. It comes before NSWE, Purslow, Smith and every single member of staff 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Here's some basic facts Brentford were 7th when Smith left, they finished 11th that season after Frank became their manager, that's lower and with less points than they had finished the season before, the following summer they spent £30m plus, doesn't really matter if that was the most in the championship it was more than most championship clubs spent that summer, and certainly more than Brentford had spent whilst Smith was there, so of course they improved... Or to put it in less words they improved under Frank because they spent in one summer more than they had spent in the previous four seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted October 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: Yep, it was good but we had a season of two half. One half excellent and one half terrible. We can't simply ignore this and think we are a 55 point a season club. Then, if we look at it in more detail we see that when Jack was fit we were a completely different team to without Jack. Dean wasn't able to address this last season and so far this season he is showing he can't address it either Incredibly harsh tbh - I **** despise the short-term view that football is all about these days. It's an absolute joke. I think we've looked good on the whole this season - but our form has taken a dip. The performance against Arsenal was abysmal, but the same just wasn't true of the Wolves game. We were in complete control and looked by far the better side until about 70 minutes when the team disintegrated. I'm actually struggling to remember the Spurs game (I don't think it was a great contest ) but I remember thinking we wouldn't get back into the game at the time, so probably not a great performance. Up until then, we've looked good and that we can cause problems for any side in the league without even having our best eleven available. Watkins and Ings haven't clicked as a partnership but have still worked well on the pitch in really good performances against Chelsea and Man Utd. We need to address the dip in form, but I just can't see why fans would want Smith sacked. We're a club that has been pretty consistently on the rise over the past 3 seasons. He's not the greatest manager in the world, but he's a Villa fan living the dream and we should fully be behind that. Not rooting for him to be booted out of a job because the last 3 games haven't gone well. As I said at the start, the short-term view in football is **** horrific. I hate elements of our fan base for it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 People are trying to come across as if they aren't overreacting to the three defeats but that's exactly what's happening, after we beat Man Utd hardly anyone was talking about us not being able to win without Grealish, we were eighth in the table four points off the top of the table and had just won two games without him against two decent sides, also hardly anyone was talking about the style of play... And guess what if we hadn't have lost those three games then other than a few expections no one would be talking about those things now, and no would be talking about replacing Smith or him not being good enough. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, useless said: Here's some basic facts Brentford were 7th when Smith left, they finished 11th that season after Frank became their manager, that's lower and with less points than they had finished the season before, the following summer they spent £30m plus, doesn't really matter if that was the most in the championship it was more than most championship clubs spent that summer, and certainly more than Brentford had spent whilst Smith was there, so of course they improved... Or to put it in less words they improved under Frank because they spent in one summer more than they had spent in the previous four seasons. Its funny seeing this argument yet the 350m Smith spent gets brushed aside. anyway, this is a Smith thread and not a Frank thread so I think we should stick on topic 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, useless said: People are trying to come across as if they aren't overreacting to the three defeats but that's exactly what's happening, after we beat Man Utd hardly anyone was talking about us not being able to win without Grealish, we were eighth in the table four points off the top of the table and had just won two games without him against two decent sides, also hardly anyone was talking about the style of play... And guess what if we hadn't have lost those three games then other than a few expections no one would be talking about those things now, and no would be talking about replacing Smith or him not being good enough. Did you watch the games? People are worried about the total capitulation, lack of plan, lack of cohesion, players all losing their heads and generally playing like relegation candidates. It isn’t an overreaction, there are big problems that a lucky win over Man Utd doesn’t cover up. If we can only play well with Bailey, who is made out of Lego, that’s a problem. Continuously playing a formation that gets the worst out of Ings and Watkins is a problem. Having a captain who just loses his head and can’t lead is a problem. Players throwing water bottles, coaches leaving, etc is a problem. All is definitely not well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Peter Griffin said: Its funny seeing this argument yet the 350m Smith spent gets brushed aside. anyway, this is a Smith thread and not a Frank thread so I think we should stick on topic because "smith spent £350m!!!" has zero context 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, useless said: People are trying to come across as if they aren't overreacting to the three defeats but that's exactly what's happening, after we beat Man Utd hardly anyone was talking about us not being able to win without Grealish, we were eighth in the table four points off the top of the table and had just won two games without him against two decent sides, also hardly anyone was talking about the style of play... And guess what if we hadn't have lost those three games then other than a few expections no one would be talking about those things now, and no would be talking about replacing Smith or him not being good enough. That's not true though. Lots of people were questioning Smith's ability before the Man utd game. And I have to agree, if Smith was getting different results to the ones he is getting there would be fewer ()not nobody) questioning Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter Griffin Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, useless said: What point are you making? Is this to highlight to DCJonah that I do actually like Dean Smith and would like him to stay on as manager? And overall Dean is doing really well at Villa; promotion, survival and 11th. Of course I am happy with that. However, that doesn't paper over the cracks. I had really hoped Dean would push on this season and show he can get the team playing as a team but 9 games in and it doesn't look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 DCJonah, bobzy, Villa4Europe, Do none of you see an issue with the lack of team cohesion and the apparent reliance of Jack and Smith's inability to fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, villa4europe said: because "smith spent £350m!!!" has zero context No surprise we ignore the context. It's the same with the sheff u ghost goal. It's what opposition fans use against us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: But we didn't have ups and downs. We had an excellent first half and a terrible second half and were dependent on one player. If we had ups and downs throughout the season I would be much happier. Do you not recognise this as a potential problem for Villa? And yes other clubs had injuries and if a key player gets injured it will hurt a team, but the team should still play as a team and not completely fall apart We also had one of the worst outbreaks of Covid within the league. So Klopp should have been sacked last season or been seriously questioned? Spurs always fall apart whenever kane is out for periods of time and wolves completely fell apart without Jimenez last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 25, 2021 Moderator Share Posted October 25, 2021 Team selections etc. here please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tomaszk Posted October 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Lord Willard said: Dean Smith in. 3 bad results doesn't determine his future. Ya'll mental. This is me as well. What would be good though, whenever it does come to it, is if we don't need to hit a really rotten patch to change. Don't wait until it's backs to the wall and we're actually battling to stay up. I think the next two games are really tough. It's fixtures that have given us trouble and ones we've mostly been outplayed in the last few years. There's then 15 days to the next game. If it was two more lost looking performances, and you could offer me a change to a real step-up, I'd have a tough time arguing against it. Performances far more important than any points in the next two for me. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: This is me as well. What would be good though, whenever it does come to it, is if we don't need to hit a really rotten patch to change. Don't wait until it's backs to the wall and we're actually battling to stay up. I think the next two games are really tough. It's fixtures that have given us trouble and ones we've mostly been outplayed in the last few years. There's then 15 days to the next game. If it was two more lost looking performances, and you could offer me a change to a real step-up, I'd have a tough time arguing against it. Performances far more important than any points in the next two for me. We have to get something off Southampton regardless of how we play (got battered down there last season but scraped that 1-0 win so I'd sign up for that again). They beat us and they're above us and whatever way it's spun Southampton being above us 11 games into the season isn't a good look even for most ardent DS disciple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: This is me as well. What would be good though, whenever it does come to it, is if we don't need to hit a really rotten patch to change. Don't wait until it's backs to the wall and we're actually battling to stay up. I think the next two games are really tough. It's fixtures that have given us trouble and ones we've mostly been outplayed in the last few years. There's then 15 days to the next game. If it was two more lost looking performances, and you could offer me a change to a real step-up, I'd have a tough time arguing against it. Performances far more important than any points in the next two for me. Good post @Tomaszk I’d say that’s where I’m at right now. I’d also like to see personnel changes when required as I think Dean is far too loyal to certain individuals whose performances don’t repay the faith the manager shows in them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I read that DS said that the players performance was not acceptavle,well,Here is a newsflash. Our last 3 performances have been not acceptable,so,what is he doing about it ? I mean its what he gets paid for.Is he just going to keep reminding us that the teams performances are not acceptable or or is he going to fix it ?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 minute ago, PussEKatt said: How about Brighton bieng above us,thats a worse look IMHO. Brighton are really good, just as they've been for the last two seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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