Zatman Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, Junxs said: That's not Steve Bruce?! I've spent the last 2 years thinking it was Bruce on the brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Junxs said: The season before our defence was the 4th best in the league despite finishing 13th, so it wasn't all down to Terry. Exactly. Terry obviously improved it. He was excellent for most of last season. But the 3 of that 4 defenders that are still left are still good players. They shouldn't have gone from best defence in the league to calamity just because they lost John Terry. I'm aware the goalkeeper situation doesn't help either, but I still think, once Smith sorts us out, that that defence is good enough for a promotion push. It may be too late now, but the point still stands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 14 hours ago, Dave J said: Bannon can play - there is no doubt in my mind- he might be an annoying little so and so - but he can play. He can't even get in one of the shittest ever scotland teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Junxs said: That's not Steve Bruce?! I've spent the last 2 years thinking it was I don't know who should be more offended, TRO or Bruce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifamad Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Friday is a must win game, if we can’t beat a garbage Bolton side who are in free fall at home then we really should be worried. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Exactly. Terry obviously improved it. He was excellent for most of last season. But the 3 of that 4 defenders that are still left are still good players. They shouldn't have gone from best defence in the league to calamity just because they lost John Terry. I'm aware the goalkeeper situation doesn't help either, but I still think, once Smith sorts us out, that that defence is good enough for a promotion push. It may be too late now, but the point still stands. Highlights how much the keeper is affecting us in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, LakotaDakota said: He can't even get in one of the shittest ever scotland teams He is a ball playing midfielder. Have you seen who the attack minded Scotland manager is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I think Bannan is better than what we have there now. He has been a very consistent player at this level for a number of years now. Forget his period at Villa, he is a far more complete player now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2018 I don't think bannan is better than grealish or McGinn, but probably better than Hourihane. If McGinn is going to be used deeper like a lot of us hope then it would probably be a good signing. BUT for £8million? I'm not so sure. That would ring alarm bells for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I wont compare him to Grealish but hes a better passer of the ball than Mcginn but all three could play nicely together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted October 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I don't think bannan is better than grealish or McGinn, but probably better than Hourihane. If McGinn is going to be used deeper like a lot of us hope then it would probably be a good signing. BUT for £8million? I'm not so sure. That would ring alarm bells for me. I think Bannan is a half decent championship player, but as you’ve said, we already have better and if we’re trying to get even better he would be backwards step IMO. ESP for £8m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted October 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Stevo985 said: No. I’m asking whether losing him is enough for the defence to go from excellent to shit. Id say the answer has proven to be yes. He was the best defender in the league last year, no one would miss that kind of impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 17 hours ago, hippo said: O, Hare could play the bannan role .... £8m.....you couldnt make it up could you !!!!! You could and it sounds like somebody has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 48 minutes ago, PaulC said: I wont compare him to Grealish but hes a better passer of the ball than Mcginn but all three could play nicely together. Would be a Tiny midfield though wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2018 45 minutes ago, Nigel said: Id say the answer has proven to be yes. He was the best defender in the league last year, no one would miss that kind of impact. Ok. My entire point was that losing John Terry wasn't the ONLY reason that our defence has got so shit. And if we can fix the other reasons then we still have a decent defence. If you think it was entirely down to John Terry then fair enough, but I respectfully disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted October 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Ok. My entire point was that losing John Terry wasn't the ONLY reason that our defence has got so shit. And if we can fix the other reasons then we still have a decent defence. If you think it was entirely down to John Terry then fair enough, but I respectfully disagree. Id argue he is the sole reason! There is no way in the world Hutton becomes a good left back if it wasn't for Terry's ability to organise the defence. It also looks as if Chester plays better with his reassurance there too (Although i would be surprised if he doesn't recover soon) My point is that Terry made the other players better than they are; So you are not just removing him (the player) from the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, Nigel said: Id argue he is the sole reason! There is no way in the world Hutton becomes a good left back if it wasn't for Terry's ability to organise the defence. It also looks as if Chester plays better with his reassurance there too (Although i would be surprised if he doesn't recover soon) My point is that Terry made the other players better than they are; So you are not just removing him (the player) from the team. GK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted October 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: GK True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Fwiw i think a deep lying ball passing midfielder like Bannan is exactly what we need in midfield. £8m is a bit on the steep side though, so much like the story itself, i suspect it's nonsence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I remember when we had Bannan. And he didn't cost £8m then either. He was shite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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