bannedfromHandV Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Israel say it’s a failed Hamas rocket, I see no reason not to believe them……….right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Yes, worth waiting to see about this - but may be too late to stop others joining in the conflict now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Have Israel finished investigating who bombed the safe route out of the north they leaflet dropped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Awol Posted October 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Not at all Does it seem likely to you? It just doesn't add up - if 33% of these rockets fall short, then Hamas have landed hundreds in Gaza over the past week - does it seem likely only one of those has hit a target that makes the news, or that the only one of those that has the power to do this sort of damage has ended up hitting this target quite so accurately? A Hamas rocket misfiring and landing on a hospital seems much more likely to me than a target with no military value being hit by the IAF, yes. Particularly given the messaging on their socials - added to the tweet above yours. Some people will want to believe Hamas regardless, because it’s the paradigm they are comfortable with (Israel bad, Palestinian victims). I didn’t even bother trying to rebut the false story on here that Israel bombed an evacuation convoy (it was a VBIED employed by Hamas or PIJ to prevent Palestinian civilians moving themselves to safety) because it’s pointless. The image analysis after the fact shows the explosion came from within the vehicle and no air dropped munition was present. But that wouldn’t matter to folks who wanted it to be true. What I find interesting is that the people who carried out the largest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust are seen as more credible sources of information by some third parties than the Israeli state. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 "Unclear who bombed the hospital"- CNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Reading up, it's coming through there was a terrorist cell launching rockets from the hospital base. Israel hit the hospital. This happened a couple of years ago, when a packed shopping centre got pummelled by helicopter gunships cause a few terrorists were hiding in there. Despicable if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Awol said: A Hamas rocket misfiring and landing on a hospital seems much more likely to me than a target with no military value being hit by the IAF, yes. Particularly given the messaging on their socials - added to the tweet above yours. Some people will want to believe Hamas regardless, because it’s the paradigm they are comfortable with (Israel bad, Palestinian victims). I didn’t even bother trying to rebut the false story on here that Israel bombed an evacuation convoy (it was a VBIED employed by Hamas or PIJ to prevent Palestinian civilians moving themselves to safety) because it’s pointless. The image analysis after the fact shows the explosion came from within the vehicle and no air dropped munition was present. But that wouldn’t matter to folks who wanted it to be true. What I find interesting is that the people who carried out the largest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust are seen as more credible sources of information by some third parties than the Israeli state. Wow. You're still here. Can you teach us about genocide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Don’t see the logic in Israel bombing hospitals. What would they gain. Await the outcome of any investigation. It is inevitable, given the amount of mass random launches by Hamas that some will malfunction and fall short. Either way it’s the innocents who suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 42 minutes ago, momo said: Wow. You're still here. Can you teach us about genocide? Can you remind me what the Hamas charter says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, a-k said: Can you remind me what the Hamas charter says? Score draw, well done both sets of murderers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, a-k said: Can you remind me what the Hamas charter says? Hello my friend. We are now witnessing the sickening genocide of all Palestinian people from all historical Palestine, comitted by the zionist people of israel. Hamas was started by israhell and funded accordingly. Can't you see the big plan? Edited October 17, 2023 by momo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 So the people behind this account, Geo-Confirmed, are essentially the kings of OSINT, (open source intelligence) on Twitter. Those posters on here following the Russian war against Ukraine will very likely be familiar with their work. They’ve called the hospital explosion as a failed Palestinian rocket launch and the thread with their working is linked below. Unfortunately, Palestinian propagandists are very good, have really strong networks into the west, and many public figures are more terrified of not sharing their hot takes on social media before the situation is clear than they are of being wrong. The Arab street has already decided Israel is to blame and their governments have followed them. A terrible situation is now going to get much worse because people who should know better jumped to conclusions without thinking first. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pongo Waring Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Hamas blowing up an hospital and killing hundreds. Just horrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 17, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 17, 2023 The Israeli embassy in Jordan has been set on fire - that's not going to help anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 5 hours ago, chrisp65 said: Have Israel finished investigating who bombed the safe route out of the north they leaflet dropped? Wasn’t it a car bomb that went off in the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Awol said: So the people behind this account, Geo-Confirmed, are essentially the kings of OSINT, (open source intelligence) on Twitter. Those posters on here following the Russian war against Ukraine will very likely be familiar with their work. They’ve called the hospital explosion as a failed Palestinian rocket launch and the thread with their working is linked below. Unfortunately, Palestinian propagandists are very good, have really strong networks into the west, and many public figures are more terrified of not sharing their hot takes on social media before the situation is clear than they are of being wrong. The Arab street has already decided Israel is to blame and their governments have followed them. A terrible situation is now going to get much worse because people who should know better jumped to conclusions without thinking first. This is a good collection of videos of the event from multiple angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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