KentVillan Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: All the kids that survive Israel‘s attempts to wipe out Hamas will be the next generations Hamas. Wonder why they would have so much hatred towards Israel. Yeah this is what bothers me about the whole "eradicate Hamas" rhetoric. You can't bomb an idea out of existence. And I'm completely sympathetic to the idea of targeting the Hamas leadership militarily. I just don't think it gets you all that close to a solution when there is always a new generation coming through and all you are doing is radicalising them with their own experience of injustice. And as @chrisp65says, the exact same process is happening on the other side. This is just a gigantic blood feud with no obvious end in sight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 15, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2023 It's a blood feud where one side has also been materially wronged for a very long time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: All the kids that survive Israel‘s attempts to wipe out Hamas will be the next generations Hamas. Wonder why they would have so much hatred towards Israel. I've actually tried to stay away from this thread as I knew I'd just get extremely wound up. With some of the nonsense and propoganda I've read.. you'd think history only began on October 7th. ( Some terrorists decided to go and murder some people, and 10s of millions of people around the world just decided to jump on a Free Palestine bandwagon just for lols ) The dehumanisation of an entire population and an apprehension to show the most basic human empathy because " if you support the Palestinian people... You support Hamas and terrorism " apparently. Nothing beats a bit of ethnically cleansed and enriched " self defense ". The 500 plus kids and 300 plus women killed over the past few days were probably Hamas sleeper cell indoctrinates anyway so best to just do away with them. I'm also tired of this BS generic " All these civilian casualties are because Hamas use their population as Human shields "... You mean... Normal humans live there... And Hamas do too lol Closely followed by nonsensical rhetoric like " There iare no innocent Palestinians... They voted in Hamas and allow them to operate... If they wanted to... They could overthrow them " Yeah just like how North Koreans could overthrow Kim Jung Un and Russians could overthrow Putin if they " really wanted to ". As horrific as the Hamas attacks were, it appears that most people.don't realise events like this ( in reverse ) have been a reality for the Palestinians for the best part of 7 - 8 decades. If you criticise the regime you are " anti semetic"... Even though the Orthodox Jews openly and vehemently denounce the State to its core. This ain't got nothing to do with religion, it's got to do with humanity. The common sense of what you have pointed out above seems lost on many. The rise of alternative media is shedding alot more light onto the other side of this, and I'm not actually sure the Israeli's realised just how much the tide of opinion is turning. I actually can't necessarily be mad at some people who don't know better. For a long time growing up... I literally had one view of this whole region ( Scary , evil, backwards terrorists etc ) which was massively skewed by the programming I was fed until I moved here. As bad as it sounds... The method, language and treatment does nothing more than simply create more terrorists. It's the same with things like Gang War and current " race wars ". Note: Haven't read back through the thread, and post isn't aimed at anyone here, just a bit of a rant/vent on what I've seen happening with general media. The fact that we are still bombing and murdering people in 2023 is frankly bizarre.. Only a matter of time before the Earth gets sick of us and just swallows us up. We are idiots. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Closely followed by nonsensical rhetoric like " There iare no innocent Palestinians... They voted in Hamas and allow them to operate... If they wanted to... They could overthrow them " Don't mean to single out one part of your long post but this line always gets me. The last elections held in Palestine were in 2006. Over half of the current population were not even alive then. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted October 16, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Can someone verify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, a-k said: Can someone verify? Look at this comment. A nice reminder of why I try to stay away from Twitter. Edited October 16, 2023 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 hours ago, a-k said: Can someone verify? Unsure on the story, but Richard Kemp isn’t a very reliable source on anything involving Muslims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, KentVillan said: Unsure on the story, but Richard Kemp isn’t a very reliable source on anything involving Muslims Twitter isn't a very reliable source. I've no idea why people use it to get information on current affairs. You've no idea if what you're scrolling through is true. If you want the news go to reputable media websites. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Stop using Twitter! Abandon it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 16, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2023 Would Israel be able to move a chunk of the populace of Gaza to the West Bank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 57 minutes ago, villa89 said: Twitter isn't a very reliable source. I've no idea why people use it to get information on current affairs. You've no idea if what you're scrolling through is true. If you want the news go to reputable media websites. Right. I'd like to think I'm a critical thinker, but I can't for the life of me discern what's real or not on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, villa89 said: Twitter isn't a very reliable source. I've no idea why people use it to get information on current affairs. You've no idea if what you're scrolling through is true. If you want the news go to reputable media websites. Help me out here ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: Would Israel be able to move a chunk of the populace of Gaza to the West Bank? I think their plan is to move them to Egypt and Egypt isn't too keen on this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 16, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2023 50 minutes ago, villa89 said: I think their plan is to move them to Egypt and Egypt isn't too keen on this idea. I know - it just seems that the West Bank seems to make more sense - from one part of Palestine to another. Israel seems to be pursuing a reduce/depopulate approach to Gaza and that to me would seem one of the ways to do it that would cause least international resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Would Israel be able to move a chunk of the populace of Gaza to the West Bank? Would the West Bank want them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 16, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, DJBOB said: Would the West Bank want them? i don't know - i'd assume they would, Palestinians would be happy to accommodate refugee Palestinians wouldn't they? I don't know though - I'm not sure how the two parts work together, or how Israel considers them - I think they stopped the free movement of people between the two a while back, but I don't know how similar/complicated the situation is. I can see why Egypt wouldn't want them, and i don't want to get caught up in the idea that they're just both 'Arab' so it should be okay- the UK would go nuts at the idea of taking a million Spaniards and we're both European. It just seems to me that if Israel wants to clear (and most likely appropriate) the North, kettle the South and then hope population decreases and they can eventually 'remove' Gaza - I don't see why they wouldn't just offer the opportunity for a whole bunch of people to move to the other side of Palestine - it seems straightforward and would be much more palatable to a watching global audience with human rights concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I don't see why they wouldn't just offer the opportunity for a whole bunch of people to move to the other side of Palestine - it seems straightforward and would be much more palatable to a watching global audience with human rights concerns. Probably hatred, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 There seems to be something of a stalemate going on between what pro-Israel voices want people and institutions in the UK to be, i.e. demonstrable in unequivocal support for Israel - and where the lay of the land actually is. The Wembley arch, the BBC not using the term terrorist, large protests in support of a free Palestine - these appear to be a reality that cannot be influenced. This is causing a lot of frustration isn't it?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 16, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Jareth said: the BBC not using the term terrorist It’s all the channels. It’s an OFCOM code of practice requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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