Brumerican Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) Edited December 22, 2017 by Brumerican For fun 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted December 18, 2017 Administrator Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 My mate was going to do a tribute to a black musician in black makeup, he got banned from a load of venues because he was going to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lapal_fan Posted December 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2017 14 hours ago, limpid said: I don't get the vitriol for this. So are we saying now, that in ANY circumstances people can't go "fancy dress" as a black person, BECAUSE they are black? Could he have gone as David Beckham, because he's white and speaks funny? If the thing he's lampooning is incompetence, as it appears with the "190" placard, then he's not being racist is he? If he hadn't have "blacked up" then he's just be a white bloke with a wrong number on his card. This is of course, subject to me not understanding the tweet! But he's not being racist. Would it be more racist not to go as a black person, because they are black? Lol. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I think it’s just another thing to be filed under ‘2017 - the rise of the safe space’. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: I think it’s just another thing to be filed under ‘2017 - the rise of the safe space’. Yea, people know people can get uppety about this kind of thing, so they social media about it to get 'likes', to make themselves feel better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted December 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted December 19, 2017 I'm definitely confused on this fiasco. In portraying Diane Abbott, he HAS to be black. He's portraying a specific person, and that person is black. In the case of Griezmann I see it differently as he blacked himself up to be a basketball player. That's stereotyping as not all basketball players are black. All Labour MPs called Diane Abbott ARE black though. Nothing makes sense any more. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villaglint Posted December 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2017 20 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: Yea, people know people can get uppety about this kind of thing, so they social media about it to get 'likes', to make themselves feel better. When I was at University a group of about 20 of us went to a Summer Ball dressed as rock stars. One friend went as Jimmy Hendrix and blacked up. Out of the entire group he was the only person to get searched for drugs on the way in. Worst thing was he actually did have drugs on him. 1 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted December 19, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 19, 2017 It was on one of Charlie Brooker’s yearly round ups where he was bemoaning a celebrity stars in their eyes style programme (your face sounds familiar, I think?). He pointed out that Denise Lewis was regularly only given a choice of black singers who she could dress up and perform as. Whereas in the Greek version of the show a white female was encouraged to “black up” as Stevie Wonder. His tongue in cheek question was which was more racist, the blacking up of the white woman on the Greek version of the show or the British version for “keeping the races apart like apartheid”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Straggler Posted December 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2017 It doesn't matter what your intention is if the thing you are doing is racist. Yes Diane Abbott is black, but you don't have to black up to dress as her. The costume the chap is wearing is good enough to identify himself as Abbott without the makeup, particularly with the crappy maths on display. The history of blacking up is pretty awful and much like using the n word, if you are going to use it in public don't be surprised if you are called out on the behavior. It is perfectly possible to dress as a black person without the makeup as Ellen manages in this pic, so just do it like that, it's not hard and you are not in danger of being racist. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 19, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 19, 2017 22 minutes ago, villaglint said: When I was at University a group of about 20 of us went to a Summer Ball dressed as rock stars. One friend went as Jimmy Hendrix and blacked up. Out of the entire group he was the only person to get searched for drugs on the way in. Worst thing was he actually did have drugs on him. True dedication to authenticity, I like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted December 19, 2017 Administrator Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, lapal_fan said: This is of course, subject to me not understanding the tweet! But he's not being racist. Would it be more racist not to go as a black person, because they are black? Lol. I think the tweet is saying that black face isn't funny. It doesn't mention racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 58 minutes ago, Straggler said: It doesn't matter what your intention is if the thing you are doing is racist. Yes Diane Abbott is black, but you don't have to black up to dress as her. The costume the chap is wearing is good enough to identify himself as Abbott without the makeup, particularly with the crappy maths on display. The history of blacking up is pretty awful and much like using the n word, if you are going to use it in public don't be surprised if you are called out on the behavior. It is perfectly possible to dress as a black person without the makeup as Ellen manages in this pic, so just do it like that, it's not hard and you are not in danger of being racist. Cobblers! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Cobblers! Oh no it isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, limpid said: I think the tweet is saying that black face isn't funny. It doesn't mention racism. What is black face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, lapal_fan said: I don't get the vitriol for this. So are we saying now, that in ANY circumstances people can't go "fancy dress" as a black person, BECAUSE they are black? Could he have gone as David Beckham, because he's white and speaks funny? If the thing he's lampooning is incompetence, as it appears with the "190" placard, then he's not being racist is he? If he hadn't have "blacked up" then he's just be a white bloke with a wrong number on his card. This is of course, subject to me not understanding the tweet! But he's not being racist. Would it be more racist not to go as a black person, because they are black? Lol. It would appear that he is not the only one to have caused offence in fancy dress. Griezmann as Harlem Globetrotter Antoine Griezmann deletes blackface picture on Twitter after being accused of racism The Atletico Madrid striker was dressed up as an NBA basketball player Jack Austin @jackaustin_1 a day ago 30 comments 317 Click to follow The Independent Sport Griezmann's photo has caused real controversy on social media Getty Atletico Madrid star Antoine Griezmann has caused outrage on social media after posting a photograph of himself blackface as part of a fancy dress costume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 And yet in 2008, everyone thought it fine enough to "blackface" Robert Downey Jr up for Tropic Thunder, less than 10 years ago. When did the goal posts move? I didn't catch that memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 And yet in 2008, everyone thought it fine enough to "blackface" Robert Downey Jr up for Tropic Thunder, less than 10 years ago. When did the goal posts move? I didn't catch that memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) Edited December 20, 2017 by Rodders wrongness in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 White people 'blacking up' to mock a black person (which is what has hapeened here) is pretty racist in my book. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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