Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: The only reason Russia wants Crimea is for prestige, to screw with Ukraine, Agreed, I suspect it is an absolute pain is in the backside to supply and defend also, it's almost undefendable given location and coastline I guess as well. It's a Bullseye moment for Putin, look what you could have won. No invasion he keeps Crimea, Invasion and he lost it all. No even a speedboat. If he keeps it then child killers really do prosper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 19, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 19, 2022 Talking of Black Sea ports on the Russian mainland... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 I fear that taking Crimea by force is well outside Ukraine's ability. Crimea has been fought over for centuries. Its amazingly well fortified. Even the Nazis struggled to take it at their strongest when the Red Army was at its weakest. The most viable option is just to isolate it and make Russia expend a huge resource keeping it supplied. Keeping it supplied with everything from drinking water to artillery pieces is going to cost Russia dearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted November 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: I fear that taking Crimea by force is well outside Ukraine's ability. Crimea has been fought over for centuries. Its amazingly well fortified. Even the Nazis struggled to take it at their strongest when the Red Army was at its weakest. The most viable option is just to isolate it and make Russia expend a huge resource keeping it supplied. Keeping it supplied with everything from drinking water to artillery pieces is going to cost Russia dearly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2022 15 hours ago, ender4 said: Snowing in some parts of the front line in Ukraine now. I wonder what impact this will have on the war? It will become a cold war. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Panto_Villan Posted November 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: I fear that taking Crimea by force is well outside Ukraine's ability. Crimea has been fought over for centuries. Its amazingly well fortified. Even the Nazis struggled to take it at their strongest when the Red Army was at its weakest. The most viable option is just to isolate it and make Russia expend a huge resource keeping it supplied. Keeping it supplied with everything from drinking water to artillery pieces is going to cost Russia dearly. Tbh I think Ukraine is claiming it will liberate Crimea mostly as a bargaining chip to use in negotiations. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2022 40 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: Tbh I think Ukraine is claiming it will liberate Crimea mostly as a bargaining chip to use in negotiations. That would make sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: I fear that taking Crimea by force is well outside Ukraine's ability. Crimea has been fought over for centuries. Its amazingly well fortified. Even the Nazis struggled to take it at their strongest when the Red Army was at its weakest. The most viable option is just to isolate it and make Russia expend a huge resource keeping it supplied. Keeping it supplied with everything from drinking water to artillery pieces is going to cost Russia dearly. Might be true, but tbh I don’t think you can compare the combat in 1943, 1876 or whatever to today. If the Germans had the amount of extremely accurate mlrs’ and drones with grenades it wouldn’t have ended in the long siege. Also the Russian armed forces of today are probably worse than the mainly Ukrainian/Tatar legions defending their home in ww2. I doubt a forcibly mobilised non-Slavic Russian is going to offer up the resistance we saw in ww2. Edited November 19, 2022 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Accident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheAuthority Posted November 20, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) On 18/11/2022 at 13:19, villakram said: Perhaps looking/reading beyond the perspective afforded from your little portion of that Island might help your very narrow perspective. You're one of those drivers aren't you? (the word removed ones) Edited November 20, 2022 by TheAuthority Trying to find the correct word filter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted November 20, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2022 16 hours ago, trekka said: If that person pays 8 dollars for a blue tick does it mean he can order the troops out of Crimea? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Could be a normal fire as Kajan would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Apparently Mount Doom has awakened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ender4 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 hour ago, bickster said: Can someone explain this please? Are they both Russian fighters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 If the Chechen's has any brains they would be starting an uprising now in their own region. Perfect time to get independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 hour ago, ender4 said: Can someone explain this please? Are they both Russian fighters? Neither groups are regular troops that are under the direct control of the Russian Military. They are militia/mercenaries who have their own agendas. They both want power, influence and the spoils of war. They will attack allies in order to get what they want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 On 19/11/2022 at 03:47, Panto_Villan said: You sound ill informed. Turkey controls the Black Sea whether or not Russia controls Crimea. They control access through the straits and their fleet is much larger and more capable than the Russian one. There’s no territory that Crimea gives access to that Russia’s other Black Sea ports like Novorossiysk do not. The only reason Russia wants Crimea is for prestige, to screw with Ukraine, and for the existing military infrastructure in Sevastopol (which could be rebuilt elsewhere if they wanted). That's an astonishingly naive post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, villakram said: That's an astonishingly naive post. Clear and polite as ever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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