OutByEaster? Posted December 2, 2022 Moderator Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, bickster said: And the conversation will go like this. Russia leaves the whole of Ukraine including Crimea and we'll relax the following sanctions. We will then relax the following sanctions when you've agreed to pay the following reparations to Ukraine (SHould you fail to pay, they'll be reinstated) We will relax the following sanctions when time has passed and we believe Ukraine's security isn't at risk or similar, you get the picture That'd be nice. Unlikely but nice. Maybe the conversation goes like this: Donor A wants to sell product X in your marketplace but is struggling because of competitor/law 1 - you will disable competitor/law 1 and give preferential treatment to my donor. Donor B wants to sell weapons to Iran but our sanctions don't allow them to, you'll influence country Y to buy arms from Donor B which they can then slip to Iran, we'll look the other way, you'll help finance the deal and kick back directly to the donor. China gets way too much of your gas at reasonable rates, you'll impose a levy on all gas exports to China and drop prices to the countries in Europe that you supply through infrastructure that Donor C owns - donor C will receive exclusivity for twenty years. You'll impose this list of sanctions on Iran until such time as Iran agree to the sale of mineral rights for field Z to donor F. In return, you get to keep Crimea and we'll write it up as a victory for peace and the a new future between your two great nations - you'll pay us a fee of $700bn for brokering the deal and send me all the info you have on Republican candidates in these four key states and the competitive tenders for fighter jets to Nigeria. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 2, 2022 Moderator Share Posted December 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, HKP90 said: No chance Russia agrees to that imo. Obviously. There's no chance Russia agrees to anything that the other side will put to them There is no good faith discussion out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Genie said: Biden saying he is willing to meet Putin to discuss ways to end the war. Oh I getcha.....sneaky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted December 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Genie said: Biden saying he is willing to meet Putin to discuss ways to end the war. Problem is, Biden thinks he's talking about WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 43 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: That'd be nice. Unlikely but nice. Maybe the conversation goes like this: Donor A wants to sell product X in your marketplace but is struggling because of competitor/law 1 - you will disable competitor/law 1 and give preferential treatment to my donor. Donor B wants to sell weapons to Iran but our sanctions don't allow them to, you'll influence country Y to buy arms from Donor B which they can then slip to Iran, we'll look the other way, you'll help finance the deal and kick back directly to the donor. China gets way too much of your gas at reasonable rates, you'll impose a levy on all gas exports to China and drop prices to the countries in Europe that you supply through infrastructure that Donor C owns - donor C will receive exclusivity for twenty years. You'll impose this list of sanctions on Iran until such time as Iran agree to the sale of mineral rights for field Z to donor F. In return, you get to keep Crimea and we'll write it up as a victory for peace and the a new future between your two great nations - you'll pay us a fee of $700bn for brokering the deal and send me all the info you have on Republican candidates in these four key states and the competitive tenders for fighter jets to Nigeria. Not happening. The war in Ukraine and the extremely visceral videos coming out of what Russia has been doing has turned this into a people’s war. It’s not going to be decided by the US as the majority of Americans think that Russia needs to be beaten out of Ukraine at all costs bar boots on the ground. Biden agreeing to give away something that isn’t his would be the worst decision he’s made so far, if he tried. Just look at the humiliation Musk received for his same line of thought, including from very high up republicans and dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 45 minutes ago, AVFC_Hitz said: Why so much Shrek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted December 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, ender4 said: Why so much Shrek? Putin is Lord Farquaad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted December 3, 2022 Moderator Share Posted December 3, 2022 2 hours ago, ender4 said: Why so much Shrek? Maybe its the new Swan Lake given the rumours of Putin falling down the stairs and shitting himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Interesting article in The Spectator yesterday about China’s role in the background. Apparently Xi cut a deal with Biden: NATO provides no fighter jets (remember Poland’s offer?), and China uses this to pressure Putin to avoid non-conventional weaponry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 17 hours ago, ender4 said: Why so much Shrek? The bigger question is why a minute's silence takes 5 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 3, 2022 Moderator Share Posted December 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, villa89 said: The bigger question is why a minute's silence takes 5 minutes? 2 minutes at the start expain that there will be consequences for those not complying and 2 minutes at the end to throw people out of windows that didn't comply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted December 4, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 4, 2022 So US Intelligence think there is going to be a big slowdown in operations till the Spring as both sides re-fit and re-supply. You would think however Ukraine will be having more and more troops being NATO trained over the winter whilst building new understanding of all their new equipment. Hard to see how Russia comes out in Spring and goes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phily85 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, sidcow said: So US Intelligence think there is going to be a big slowdown in operations till the Spring as both sides re-fit and re-supply. You would think however Ukraine will be having more and more troops being NATO trained over the winter whilst building new understanding of all their new equipment. Hard to see how Russia comes out in Spring and goes again. Hopefully Russia come out of it as bright as an Aston Villa team which has just had a 2 week mid season break with Steven Gerrard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) Without said drones the shoot down percentage of Russian missiles will be a lot higher. And in other news, we might as well give Ukraine ATACMS now, or they'll soon develop their own capability. Edited December 5, 2022 by magnkarl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted December 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2022 Explosions at two Russian airbases well away from the Ukraine border. Ryazan and Saratov. Sabotage or Ukrainian missiles? Would Ukraine attempt a missile strike that far into Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, HKP90 said: Explosions at two Russian airbases well away from the Ukraine border. Ryazan and Saratov. Sabotage or Ukrainian missiles? Would Ukraine attempt a missile strike that far into Russia? Ukrainian missles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted December 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, villa89 said: Ukrainian missles. In that case major escalation, No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, HKP90 said: In that case major escalation, No? No, not at all. Ukraine has been hitting targets inside Russia since the start of the war. Those airbases are when aircraft are based that launch long range missiles at Ukraine. Totally legitimate targets and no escalation at all Russia is going to be pissed that they managed it but that is it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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