London attack March 2017

[jon_c]

4 minutes ago, lapal_fan said:

And absolutely no one remembers when I twisted my ankle a few months ago, and trust me, that really hurt.   

(He's right y'know).

Not true, many had your avatar overlaid on their facebook profile picture. #prayforlapal_fan

[lapal_fan]

1 minute ago, jon_c said:

Not true, many had your avatar overlaid on their facebook profile picture. #prayforlapal_fan

Oh man! I missed all that!      

[tonyh29]

31 minutes ago, TrentVilla said:

How the victims are remembered is an entirely different point. 

If the victims are even remembered at all ..230 civilians rumoured to be killed by a US air strike in Mosul yesterday 

barely even reported 

[mottaloo]

2 hours ago, markavfc40 said:

That is slightly different though isn’t it. Some people judge a whole religion based on the actions of a tiny minority of extremists and vile nut jobs. When 

You made a great point yesterday Tony with regard to when the IRA were bombing London and Birmingham and we didn’t persecute Irish people or Catholics we understood that is was a tiny minority of extremists/nut jobs and we didn’t expect every Catholic or Irish person we came into contact with to apologise for them.

Sadly not everyone thought like you.  Many a time in the 70s (and before the pub bombings of 74) my old man was subjected to verbal and occasionally physical threats, told to "fck off home Paddy", others in their circle werent so lucky and were attacked simply because of where they came from and their accent.

Recently, I've challenged these idiots by saying i am the son of immigrants (economic ones at that) and the look of puzzlement on their faces is priceless. Then they say "aah erm, nah not you, you're alright".

Because i am white ? Of course.

My point is there will always be ignorance whenever and wherever and i despise those who fan the flames of racial/religious hatred. 

[Daweii]

1 minute ago, tonyh29 said:

I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment of what you say  but Isn't that partly because we have a counter terrorism unit that is monitoring and preventing attacks rather than it being safer than the 70's/80's ? 

how many more people could have died from terrorist attacks without this prevention ?

 

 

Agreed.

The Westminster attack to me and a few friends watching it unfold on the news felt "rushed" as if he knew that if he took a day or two longer, or a week or two longer he'd be under that much surveillance that even getting into London would have been hard.

I mean I don't like comparing one attack to another as it can feel like point scoring, but look at Paris last year. That attack was a coordinated almost military style effort by a group of terrorists that was carried out almost flawlessly. Fast forward to the other day and it was one man in a rental car with a knife and it felt rushed and part of that could be because our counter terrorism unit is so good.

We all know that he was on the CTU radar as arrests were made in Birmingham the night after the attacks. The CTU couldn't prevent this one, but them being there may have stopped this attack being far worse. I mean 9 people were arrested in conjunction with this attack, now while some may be innocent this attack could have been so much worse. 

[rjw63]

2 hours ago, Brumerican said:

Which is why faith schools should be abolished . If you want to fill your kids head with bullshit fairytales then do it on your own time . Children should be spared from religion as much as possible until they have developed the ability to reason. Defining a child by their religion is sickening. 

Agree with this, but it ain't happening.

My missus works at a school that is 100% muslim, a lot of the staff are too. The kids are amazingly well-behaved (bar the odd one or two runts) and the parents are apparently all lovely. The head teacher makes it his priority that the kids are taught about ALL religion equally even though they're Allah fans

In fact the only violence that happens is Asian inter-family feuds that last decades, you get the odd stabbing or occasional shooting. But so far no terrorists!

[markavfc40]

9 minutes ago, mottaloo said:

Sadly not everyone thought like you.  Many a time in the 70s (and before the pub bombings of 74) my old man was subjected to verbal and occasionally physical threats, told to "fck off home Paddy", others in their circle werent so lucky and were attacked simply because of where they came from and their accent.

Recently, I've challenged these idiots by saying i am the son of immigrants (economic ones at that) and the look of puzzlement on their faces is priceless. Then they say "aah erm, nah not you, you're alright".

Because i am white ? Of course.

My point is there will always be ignorance whenever and wherever and i despise those who fan the flames of racial/religious hatred. 

It seems we have previous form for it then.The worst thing you can do in situations like this is react by pointing the finger at and becoming suspicios of anyone that appears to follow the same religion. In fact it is the reaction these people want  to further divide us.

 

[jon_c]

I went to a Catholic school and me and most of those I went to school are now vehemently not religious.

But not only this, I'm now very well informed about why Catholicism is balls. 

So in that sense faith schools work quite well IMO. 

[Brumerican]

19 minutes ago, rjw63 said:

Agree with this, but it ain't happening.

My missus works at a school that is 100% muslim, a lot of the staff are too. The kids are amazingly well-behaved (bar the odd one or two runts) and the parents are apparently all lovely. The head teacher makes it his priority that the kids are taught about ALL religion equally even though they're Allah fans

In fact the only violence that happens is Asian inter-family feuds that last decades, you get the odd stabbing or occasional shooting. But so far no terrorists!

Yup all religions should be taught in a purely academical sense with equal time spent on all of them . ( When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

[Demitri_C]

1 hour ago, tonyh29 said:

I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment of what you say  but Isn't that partly because we have a counter terrorism unit that is monitoring and preventing attacks rather than it being safer than the 70's/80's ? 

how many more people could have died from terrorist attacks without this prevention ?

 

 

This definitely is a valid point. Just because things don't happen doesn't mean it couldn't have. One of my closest mates works for MI5 and he told me they foiled various attacks, one massive one which could have been on scale of not bigger than 7/7 but it was not leaked to the media which I think was for the best.

 

[lapal_fan]

1 minute ago, Demitri_C said:

This definitely is a valid point. Just because things don't happen doesn't mean it couldn't have. One of my closest mates works for MI5 and he told me they foiled various attacks, one massive one which could have been on scale of not bigger than 7/7 but it was not leaked to the media which I think was for the best.

 

Obviously I don't know if that's true or not, but as you've said it, I'll take it as so.

But if so, then good.  Foiled attempts shouldn't be socialised.  They should be kept under wraps and never be spoken about.  It could give someone ideas in the future who will go through with it.

[markavfc40]

1 hour ago, tonyh29 said:

I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment of what you say  but Isn't that partly because we have a counter terrorism unit that is monitoring and preventing attacks rather than it being safer than the 70's/80's ? 

how many more people could have died from terrorist attacks without this prevention ?

 

Whilst that is true of more sophisticated attacks that require far greater planning and participants these attacks with vehicles would always have a good chance of succeeding yet this is the first one we have seen in Britain.

You could be known to the authorities but could get into a vehicle and drive down many High Streets in London, Birmingham, Manchester etc now and wipe out tens of people. It doesn’t happen though and that suggests to me that there aren’t as many of these extremists out there as some would believe. There is though the odd nut job that associates themselves with Islam or other religions.

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[LxYoungAVFC]

 

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[markavfc40]

1 hour ago, tonyh29 said:

If the victims are even remembered at all ..230 civilians rumoured to be killed by a US air strike in Mosul yesterday 

barely even reported 

I can’t even find anything about this on the BBC News website. I have though found some reports and they say like you that over 200 civilians, mainly women and children, killed by a US led air strike.

[Demitri_C]

52 minutes ago, lapal_fan said:

Obviously I don't know if that's true or not, but as you've said it, I'll take it as so.

But if so, then good.  Foiled attempts shouldn't be socialised.  They should be kept under wraps and never be spoken about.  It could give someone ideas in the future who will go through with it.

Completely agree mate

[Amsterdam_Neil_D]

2 hours ago, jon_c said:

I went to a Catholic school and me and most of those I went to school are now vehemently not religious.

But not only this, I'm now very well informed about why Catholicism is balls. 

So in that sense faith schools work quite well IMO. 

100 % my experience also.  If you want to be prepared for life as an Atheist,  send your kids to Catholic school.

I could see through it aged 10 ffs.   

[Awol]

2 hours ago, lapal_fan said:

Obviously I don't know if that's true or not, but as you've said it, I'll take it as so.

But if so, then good.  Foiled attempts shouldn't be socialised.  They should be kept under wraps and never be spoken about.  It could give someone ideas in the future who will go through with it.

Couldn't disagree more. First off the plots that are foiled normally result in a trial. Would you want criminal proceedings to be censored so the public don't find out what's actually going on?

The type of people plotting to commit mass murder in the UK aren't taking their queues from BBC News at 10.

[Demitri_C]

33 minutes ago, Awol said:

Couldn't disagree more. First off the plots that are foiled normally result in a trial. Would you want criminal proceedings to be censored so the public don't find out what's actually going on?

The type of people plotting to commit mass murder in the UK aren't taking their queues from BBC News at 10.

To be for awol it happens a lot, there is a lot going on in the world that our media doesn't/interest them in broadcasting. Same with certain things that go on in the UK 

[ml1dch]

7 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

To be for awol it happens a lot, there is a lot going on in the world that our media doesn't/interest them in broadcasting. Same with certain things that go on in the UK 

You're saying that is somebody were on trial in the UK for planning a terrorist attack that the media would have no interest in reporting it?

Just think about that for a moment.

[Awol]

40 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

To be for awol it happens a lot, there is a lot going on in the world that our media doesn't/interest them in broadcasting. Same with certain things that go on in the UK 

Sorry, to be more clear I understand that a lot of stuff gets disrupted early before the necessary evidence is in place to go forward to the charge/CPS/trial process, and in those cases it doesn't make it to the media cycle... 

...But when someone is charged it's got to go into the public domain.