Keyblade Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, Zatman said: This is exactly the way it has been but it seems the Poch thing is being swept under the carpet. He lost nearly 20 of his last 50 league games at Spurs and Spurs were in such poor form they were potentially sleepwalking into a relegation battle last season. They were 14th with jsut 14 points in 12 games including bad losses to Newcastle and Brighton when Poch was sacked They didn't buy any players for 18 months, and suffered heartbreak in the CL final. It was quite clearly the end of an era with Poch. There was no way he was pushing them forward after that. He should have resigned at the end of 2018/19. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Sounds like you didn't watch the games when Kane was injured. Some of the worst performances put in by any team this season including Newcastle. That Brighton performance reminded me of us under McLeish and that's not hyperbole at all. I'm still mad I watched that. If you don't really watch Spurs games and just look at the league table and that "Jose Mourinho" is managing them then it's easy to have the wrong impression and you just won't know how dire they've been at times. Have a pop over at the Spurs forum for a few minutes. They're dead serious. The point is all teams look shit when you take the best 2 players out of them. No matter who you are. Are Spurs significantly worse than the teams listed above without their star players? I doubt it. That’s not a stick to beat Jose with, it’s the same for any team. Villa have been awful these last few weeks having lost just 1 good player. If you took arguably our second best player out too (Martinez) we’d have been embarrassed over and over. Spurs forum is probably similar to this one On Topic, sensational opinions after any loss. The difference is Spurs have a huge name manger so he’s more of a target for criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Genie said: The point is all teams look shit when you take the best 2 players out of them. No matter who you are. Are Spurs significantly worse than the teams listed above without their star players? I doubt it. That’s not a stick to beat Jose with, it’s the same for any team. Villa have been awful these last few weeks having lost just 1 good player. If you took arguably our second best player out too (Martinez) we’d have been embarrassed over and over. Spurs forum is probably similar to this one On Topic, sensational opinions after any loss. The difference is Spurs have a huge name manger so he’s more of a target for criticism. Yes they are, seriously that's what I'm saying. At least with us it's understandable because Jack is head and shoulders above everyone else in the team. A world class player among decent ones and some not so decent ones. That Spurs squad is full of quality. They shouldn't devolve into late Lerner era Villa with 1 injury. Spurs fans were desperate for him to work (kind of like us with Bruce) and they loved him in his first few months (also kind of like us with Bruce). The similarities are actually kind of uncanny. We both had to bite the bullet with the knowledge that with his pedigree he'd get us promoted/win them trophies. Then we find out that actually, the game has moved on and they're just not up to the task anymore. Seriously, reading their forum right now is transporting me back to 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Xabi Alonso to be the next Monchengladbach manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 If Zidane wins the league and Champions League this season he will have won more as a club manager than as a player It might be wondering to ask if he is the best manager/player ever or is he even a better manager than he was a player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 22/03/2021 at 12:00, Zatman said: Xabi Alonso to be the next Monchengladbach manager Adi Hütter announced this morning. Wouldn't have minded Alonso, though. Club's essentially done exactly what Dortmund did and announce it as Frankfurt are about to go into a crucial run of games, though I'm hoping they cope better to keep Dortmund out of that last CL spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Zatman said: If Zidane wins the league and Champions League this season he will have won more as a club manager than as a player It might be wondering to ask if he is the best manager/player ever or is he even a better manager than he was a player He never did it in Stoke on a Tuesday so we can't really tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 But on a serious note, he was my favourite midfielder when I was a kid. I look at his games now, and he was a genius, pure and simple. As a manager, sure, he only led the biggest club in the world, but many have led that club before and none have achieved European glory like he has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, Mic09 said: But on a serious note, he was my favourite midfielder when I was a kid. I look at his games now, and he was a genius, pure and simple. As a manager, sure, he only led the biggest club in the world, but many have led that club before and none have achieved European glory like he has. Even since he came back this is not the Real squad is not the level lf 4 years ago, not just Ronaldo leaving but the best players are early to mid 30s now He has a great skill as well of dealing with star names, suppose it helps when your Zidane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 He doesn't have a quirk, he doesn't run around like a nutcase and he doesn't have a set philosophy that lazy pundits can trot out about. He's the best manager in the world the past decade. End of. Guy puts trophies in the cabinet any which way he has to. Minimum of fuss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, rodders0223 said: He doesn't have a quirk, he doesn't run around like a nutcase and he doesn't have a set philosophy that lazy pundits can trot out about. He's the best manager in the world the past decade. End of. Guy puts trophies in the cabinet any which way he has to. Minimum of fuss. Yep, he doesn't do soundbites either or the fake happy happy persona like others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Flick rumored to be getting the Germany job after the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Mourinho update: Won 7 of his last 20 games. Indeed with us being 11th he has only beat one top half team in that period, Leeds. Lost to all of Liverpool (twice), Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham, Leicester and the two Manchester clubs since mid December. Knocked out of two cup competitions in this period. Bit of chat last page on Kane and Son being out for periods. Both have started 18 of those 20 league games. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Villaphan04 said: Flick rumored to be getting the Germany job after the season He gets that. Klopp goes to Bayern. Scousers in tears and back to mediocrity. Sign me up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, penguin said: He gets that. Klopp goes to Bayern. Scousers in tears and back to mediocrity. Sign me up! Klopp wont touch Bayern its why he is at Liverpool instead of a United or a big Spanish side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Zatman said: Klopp wont touch Bayern its why he is at Liverpool instead of a United or a big Spanish side Let a man dream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 On 14/04/2021 at 12:48, Villaphan04 said: Flick rumored to be getting the Germany job after the season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 On 14/04/2021 at 13:14, VillaChris said: Mourinho update: Won 7 of his last 20 games. Indeed with us being 11th he has only beat one top half team in that period, Leeds. Lost to all of Liverpool (twice), Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham, Leicester and the two Manchester clubs since mid December. Knocked out of two cup competitions in this period. Bit of chat last page on Kane and Son being out for periods. Both have started 18 of those 20 league games. There seem to be fans of his even on this forum. I really don't understand why anyone would like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 People obviously respect him for what he's won but it's no different to a Lescott or Richards rocking up here in their 30s and demotivated. You get managers like that aswell and Mourinho is one of those nowadays. It remains me of Van Gaal at Man. United. People were hyping him up but it was clear pretty quickly the methods that had worked for him a decade before at likes of Barca and Bayern Munich were a bit obsolete. Graham Taylor in his second spell here another example. It's very difficult for majority of managers to keep up with way game evolves unless you just call in relegation survival specialist like Big Sam as that's a more simple brief. Probably shows how amazing Fergie was although that was more down to what an incredible man manager he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 hours ago, VillaChris said: People obviously respect him for what he's won but it's no different to a Lescott or Richards rocking up here in their 30s and demotivated. You get managers like that aswell and Mourinho is one of those nowadays. It remains me of Van Gaal at Man. United. People were hyping him up but it was clear pretty quickly the methods that had worked for him a decade before at likes of Barca and Bayern Munich were a bit obsolete. Graham Taylor in his second spell here another example. It's very difficult for majority of managers to keep up with way game evolves unless you just call in relegation survival specialist like Big Sam as that's a more simple brief. Probably shows how amazing Fergie was although that was more down to what an incredible man manager he was. Could the same be said about Ancelotti. it seems a lot of Everton fans have turned on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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