VillaCas Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, TRO said: but your call for him to go ,is emotive too and I guess if you don't agree, could call that nonsense too,to appease your argument. No it's not - its based on the fact that we have one point from the last 27 available and are in freefall We could still be playing Newcastle now and not have scored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted February 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, VillaCas said: No it's not - its based on the fact that we have one point from the last 27 available and are in freefall We could still be playing Newcastle now and not have scored 1 from 24, 2 from 27 I think. could easily become 2 from 30 too though. That form across a season and we'd scrape double figures and get relegated. Personally, I don't think there's a league in the world where a coach keeps his job after that kind of form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, VillaCas said: No it's not - its based on the fact that we have one point from the last 27 available and are in freefall We could still be playing Newcastle now and not have scored Are you just discarding the facts relating to the first 12 games? folk were saying they don't know how he has done it.....now we have some adversity and we dump him? The disruption of losing players in the Afcon, key injuries, new player acquisition are they all to be packaged under the heading....." so what,you're the manager, this is shite" you say we cannot go on losing like this and to be honest I have great empathy with that. ......but equally I believe, we cannot go on changing managers at the rate we do and fuelling this car crash. I think we may have a bit of catch 22 Edited February 21, 2017 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 So have we started blaming the schedule yet? Wenger usually does that this time of year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, sne said: So have we started blaming the schedule yet? Wenger usually does that this time of year I'll text him......he probably hasn't thought of that. ......but there again, I don't think he has blamed anything, other than saying the job is tougher than he first thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I think we should either sack him or stick with him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I say stick with him and trust him to get enough points to get us over the line, it's a gamble but so is getting a new guy in starting nothing. There MUST be something going on behind the scenes. There just doesn't seem to be any team spirit. It seems like there's been some major rift in the camp which everyone is keeping quiet about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Genie said: I say stick with him and trust him to get enough points to get us over the line, it's a gamble but so is getting a new guy in starting nothing. There MUST be something going on behind the scenes. There just doesn't seem to be any team spirit. It seems like there's been some major rift in the camp which everyone is keeping quiet about. Next 3 games in the space of a week - Derby , Bristol city and Rotherham - he sinks or swiMs by those results for me . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Why stick. We are not getting good goal scoring chances because of the way Bruce sets us up. If we don't score goals we risk going down. It's not rocket science. Worst losing streak since 1974. How anyone defends Bruce still is beyond me Because a manager should get more than 5 games with his players? it's not rocket science. Worst losing streak since 1974. You realise we lost 11 in a row last season and 7 in a row last season, yes? Edited February 21, 2017 by kurtsimonw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 21, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Eastie said: Next 3 games in the space of a week - Derby , Bristol city and Rotherham - he sinks or swiMs by those results for me . I think you might be right, given that the first 2 are at home and the third ... well the third is Rotherham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 13 minutes ago, TRO said: Are you just discarding the facts relating to the first 12 games? folk were saying they don't know how he has done it.....now we have some adversity and we dump him? The disruption of losing players in the Afcon, key injuries, new player acquisition are they all to be packaged under the heading....." so what,you're the manager, this is shite" you say we cannot go on losing like this and to be honest I have great empathy with that. ......but equally I believe, we cannot go on changing managers at the rate we do and fuelling this car crash. I think we may have a bit of catch 22 No he gets credit for that. If his record was solely 2 points from possible 27 he'd be gone already a la RDM, but whatever good he did (and he had a large slice of good fortune in his early run) that has well run out now. We've been discussing this for months and from the off I told you that he was not the right man for us, although I had no idea that he would be as bad as this The "can't keep changing managers" is a well worn meme but each manager has to earn his right to be there for the next game and Bruce has had his chance and blown it Much more procrastination and we will see ourselves in League 1 To follow up on your Catch 22 reference “Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them" Bruce is a mediocre manager and to shake us out of our malaise we need something more than that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post terrytini Posted February 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2017 Stability scmability. If anything we were doing remotely smacked of something that could or was being built upon then it'd be s decent shout, but it isn't. A new Manager would not represent instability since at the moment the players are not a cohesive group, we don't have a cohesive system, we are nothing like a team. So if anything thanks to Bruce's poor management any guy would effectively have a nice, clean, slate. He wouldn't have to undo anything because there's nothing there, he wouldn't be breaking any patterns or bonds because there are none there, and miraculously enough he couldn't even fail results wise because we are getting none of those either ! If have s bit of time for pundits if I thought they genuinely watched us both regularly and objectively, I can think of none that do either and we all know there is a huge boys club especially for ex United players. Ffs the pundits told us to stick with Mcleish ! The Liverpool brigade were on Hodgsons case quick enough - if this were Liverpool Bruce would've been fired weeks ago, because of "what their Club should expect".........same with United. But 'hey it's just that tin pot Midlands Club they expect too much" Nah. We sacked some Managers because they were poor appointments who lived up to our low expectations, now we need to sack a decent one because he has failed. Next ! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 hour ago, striker said: Bruce describing the turnover in players as an excuse is really starting to grate with me. If he thought that was destabilising the club before he arrived why do the same again when he was getting better results with the previous squad? He can't have it both ways and it smacks of desperation. Xia's silence is deafening at the moment. Xias silence is welcome right now - let's see where we are after the Rotherham game . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Because a manager should get more than 5 games with his players? it's not rocket science. Worst losing streak since 1974. You realise we lost 11 in a row last season and 7 in a row last season, yes? That's a dreadful excuse. So because he decided he couldn't get anywhere with the players who were here and bought more that buys him more time ? So if he buys a load more every window it keeps buying him time ? The point of adding to the squad is to improve results and performances. He has added to the squad and both have fallen through the floor- and we're doing before the new guys arrived. Its bonkers imo to say we have to ignore the fact he's actually had over 20 games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) This is beyond a joke now, how many more games are we going to give him?! It's the same BS week after week (albeit with a new fangled "formation" thrown in, clueless!) and we are sinking fast, this has to end before it's way too late and the damage is irreversible. Bruce out now! The only possible uplift now would be shifting him & his staff immediately because we haven't looked like winning a game for an age!!! Get him out, get Rowett in on a rolling contract again (he doesn't seem the sort who would take any shit and should at least be able to motivate the players, Bruce seems incapable of even that! Would want to prove a point & have drive and determination plus he is available so we needn't waste any time) see how he does and give him a chance to prove himself and take stock in the summer (make a "proper" appointment then if necessary or let him continue if he has done really well). Get a coaching team in now and give them a chance to WIN SOME BLEEDING GAMES(!!!) instead of draining away like we are. We are going down unless action is taken, we have to try... Edited February 21, 2017 by Jas10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, terrytini said: That's a dreadful excuse. So because he decided he couldn't get anywhere with the players who were here and bought more that buys him more time ? So if he buys a load more every window it keeps buying him time ? The point of adding to the squad is to improve results and performances. He has added to the squad and both have fallen through the floor- and we're doing before the new guys arrived. Its bonkers imo to say we have to ignore the fact he's actually had over 20 games. Eh? He took over a squad with players that weren't his. He's now signed his players. Why would another window give him more time? Yes and his results were mostly good for the first half of those 20 games, so I'm willing to give him a bit more time due to the reason above and losing our top scorer to ACON for a few weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jas10 Posted February 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2017 I honestly cannot fathom how any supporters or fans can stomach and allow or accept these continuing losses and abject non-performances. There isn't any reasoning for continuing like this now, all those points and arguments have fallen flat and are looking really foolish now. Forget everything else, just look at what has been happening on the pitch week after week and the body language and mood of the players and staff every time. We are in major dire straits and we just can't allow this to go on. As much as people don't want change or are afraid that it won't change things, that is irrelevant now. Change is needed (probably more than ever) and by that I mean a different manager and coaches to at least give us a chance of winning the odd game and try to avoid relegation!!! Can you actually believe we are in this position? How can anyone accept it?! - No, just no! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Bruce has had plenty of time and he has completely cocked it up, no more, PLEASE, no more!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I'd still rather stick than twist at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fightoffyour Posted February 21, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2017 I'm all for stability, if and when we see even the faintest sign of a manager instilling confidence, belief and togetherness and/or any hint of displaying tactical nous and the ability to implement a game plan and make positive changes to affect a result. What we are seeing now is continuous regression on all of these points. He is indefensible at this point. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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