Steve Bruce

[TRO]

No, Intensity, No Urgency, No Pattern, No closing down, No winning tackles ( without fouling) no running off the ball.

No belief, No winning first or second balls, No ball retention, constantly giving the ball away cheaply, we are so easily relieved of the ball by players with more conviction.

If there was a prize for standing off.....we would be champions.

Its a calamitous Wreck.

The same old things are there match in match out irrespective of the result.

He has had long enough....I feel sure nothing is going to change, with him in charge, new players is not the answer.....New players have come and gone, with no difference.

The net has closed and he has no where to go.

Its time up Steve Bruce.

Edited September 23, 2018 by TRO

[TRO]

2 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said:

It was this bad on several occasions last season and the season before that. At the very least it’s comparable. One win in seven at the start of last season. Zero wins in nine  games the previous season. Plenty of  other poor runs of form I could reference, this is just the most recent.

Sod the bloody Wolves game. I know you want him gone, but can we stop dining out on that game. There are lots more examples of yesterday’s performance than there are of the dingles match.

I could have mentioned the Bristol Game too or the Cardiff game or Boro away.

look we are arguing for the sake of it.....I think we are worse this season, but its just opinions.

yes, I have arrived at the Bruce out saloon.

[Mark Albrighton]

1 minute ago, TRO said:

I could have mentioned the Bristol Game too or the Cardiff game or Boro away.

look we are arguing for the sake of it.....I think we are worse this season, but its just opinions.

yes, I have arrived at the Bruce out saloon.

Yep a couple of late goals/moment of individual brilliance for two of those games. So that’s four games. Still plenty of room in my scrap book.

I’m not arguing. I’m just pointing out we’ve been this bad plenty of times under Bruce. All these better performances are the exception.

[wilko154]

Has he gone yet?

[Kingman]

Brucexit 

[jacketspuds]

Watching Sunday Supplement, listening to the journalists heap praise on Wolves' owner and manager is making me feel sick. All the talk of ambition and wanting to get them challenging for the PL title in a few years is just making it even more difficult to accept that Bruce is still here. We have to make a change now otherwise we will be stuck here for at least another season. We are getting nowhere under this clueless, egotistical manager and every week that goes by is another 7 days of wasted time that could even have a negative affect on the team.

Bruce OUT!!!!!

[foreveryoung]

9 minutes ago, jacketspuds said:

Watching Sunday Supplement, listening to the journalists heap praise on Wolves' owner and manager is making me feel sick. All the talk of ambition and wanting to get them challenging for the PL title in a few years is just making it even more difficult to accept that Bruce is still here. We have to make a change now otherwise we will be stuck here for at least another season. We are getting nowhere under this clueless, egotistical manager and every week that goes by is another 7 days of wasted time that could even have a negative affect on the team.

Bruce OUT!!!!!

Wolves are playing well but something is has not clicked yet. In the end they have only won 2 out of 6 this season. Still plenty of time I guess.

[markavfc40]

I think 95% of us are singing from the same hymn sheet now in wanting Bruce out. There is no point racking over old ground and going over why and when we all reached that conclusion. 

The owners need to act quickly now as the last thing we need is this turning nasty and the manager getting dogs abuse and the focus being solely on him as it will create a negative atmosphere. I'd also take no pleasure in seeing Bruce getting vitriol thrown at him from the masses.

There are still 37 games to go and we are sill within spitting distance of the top 2 with a very good squad. This season can still be saved as despite the obvious deficiency at centre back with the right manager this squad is as good as any and our midfield and attack the best in the league for me.  First big test for the new owners and it is time to act.

[screwdriver]

I still believe Kenian Davis is massive to Bruce. I think he will transform the season like he did last year.

Nothing sticks up front with any of the other guys.

[TrentVilla]

53 minutes ago, TRO said:

 

I disagree....did you watch the Wolves Game?....last season despite missing out was not THIS bad.

We won 24 games last season.....so while a lot of the faults are still there.....this has gone to another level for me .....we have won 1 in 8 games.

as for the excuses.....you must be reading me totally wrong.....I want a new manager and coaching staff.

Nobody with an ounce of football intelligence could make excuses for that pile of crap.

I have to be honest, I hate all reference to the Wolves game. Its about as useful as a barometer as Jedinak is as a centre back.

The Wolves game was an aberration, an absolute exception to the rule and in no way representative of Bruce's tenure or how we played last season. We were played poorly before the Wolves game and we played terribly after the Wolves game. Just look at our results post Wolves.

Yes we won games last season but we still largely played poorly, this was always the argument that people like me made and why we always said it wasn't sustainable.

I've not been on here for 10 months, I've not posted and I've not been reading the this or any other thread. When I left, I felt your position was that you largely defended Bruce. The post I replied to appeared to be continuing in that theme. If that was an incorrect assessment than fair enough.

I literally cannot fathom how any Villa fan could still be behind Bruce, his tenure has been two years of failure, he has built nothing and when he leaves will leave behind problems that will take many years to fix.

I think the Forestieri comment really does betray what he is as a manager, how he approaches games and why we must remove him immediately.

I've wanted him out since August 2017, his sacking has been a long time coming.

[TrentVilla]

6 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

I think 95% of us are singing from the same hymn sheet now in wanting Bruce out. There is no point racking over old ground and going over why and when we all reached that conclusion. 

The owners need to act quickly now as the last thing we need is this turning nasty and the manager getting dogs abuse and the focus being solely on him as it will create a negative atmosphere. I'd also take no pleasure in seeing Bruce getting vitriol thrown at him from the masses.

There are still 37 games to go and we are sill within spitting distance of the top 2 with a very good squad. This season can still be saved as despite the obvious deficiency at centre back with the right manager this squad is as good as any and our midfield and attack the best in the league for me.  First big test for the new owners and it is time to act.

Well you would say that you Johnny come lately

Some of us have had 12 months plus of all kinds of rubbish thrown at us for our stance on Bruce.

As for vitriol from the masses, that doesn't really reflect the situation accurately in my view. But the Holte turned yesterday, in part a consequence of Bruce idiotically turning on the fans. There is no way back now, the fans will drive him out of VP and if doesn't happen quickly it will turn ugly but I don't really think it has to date.

[Dr_Pangloss]

I actually bothered to go to the game yesterday and boy did I regret it. What a shocking, shambolic, disgraceful display, we played something that resembled 'football' for a total of seven minutes in the second half, the rest was a combination of us getting played off the park and tactically dominated to dull passages of play full of ineptitude on our behalf whilst Wednesday were holding their shape and being utterly comfortable.

Bruce was clueless, shoehorning players in for no clear reason and a tactical approach that was clearly invented on the fly, with Grealish moved all over the pitch to accommodate two up front. We had no shape and the worst thing, no concept of basic pass and move football. There were no runners, no one in space when the ball was, for instance, given to Hourihane. The ball was often shifted out to Hutton and no one bothered to get close to him and show for the ball, meaning he had to try and beat two or three players on his own.

Wednesday on the other hand showed us how to play. Bannan frankly dominated the game, dictating the tempo, whenever he had the ball at feet their wide players were making good runs instantly, their forwards were moving into space and their number 8 was always on the move and in space to receive the short pass. We were not making runs, we were not getting players into space and were not looking to 'give and go'. Whilst you can blame the players for this my view is that it's down to coaching and what is done on the training pitch. Wednesday do not have better players than us, but they are coached much, much better.

Bruce simply has to go, he is serving up utter, clueless garbage and is putting more effort into dividing the fan base than improving us on the pitch. He is a disgrace.

[markavfc40]

9 minutes ago, TrentVilla said:

Well you would say that you Johnny come lately

Some of us have had 12 months plus of all kinds of rubbish thrown at us for our stance on Bruce.

As for vitriol from the masses, that doesn't really reflect the situation accurately in my view. But the Holte turned yesterday, in part a consequence of Bruce idiotically turning on the fans. There is no way back now, the fans will drive him out of VP and if doesn't happen quickly it will turn ugly but I don't really think it has to date.

I don't know who has thrown crap at you mate over the last 12 months but if they have that is bang out of order as we are all entitled to our opinions and all give them in good faith in the belief that is what is best for our club.

I never said there has been vitriol from the masses but that is the way it will go if this is allowed to drag on and no one wants to see that at games as it just creates a negative atmosphere with the focus solely on the manager rather than supporting the players. It hasn't got to that stage yet as it was a minority in the Holte yesterday but I am in no doubt it will.

I agree there is no way back now and I hope those that matter can see that and act swiftly as there is still much to play for.

 

Edited September 23, 2018 by markavfc40

[terrytini]

3 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said:

We can’t just get rid of him without finding a suitable replacement. He will keep us just off the play offs spot, so until we find someone, we will stick with him. 

I think we have to.

In my view he was only retained because the Owners preferred choice was not available.

Thats now irrelevant, we need to do what many other Clubs have done, some with success and some not, and replace Bruce internally until we get our man. If that’s Delaney, that’ll do fine.

We simply cannot meepnsticking with him through fear of the unknown, it’s frankly ridiculous, and the erosion of players confidence, fans goodwill, and the rest, makes it a dangerous choice also.

 

[terrytini]

6 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

I don't know who has thrown crap at you mate over the last 12 months but if they have that is bang out of order as we are all entitled to our opinions and all give them in good faith in the belief that is what is best for our club.

I never said there has been vitriol from the masses but that is the way it will go if this is allowed to drag on and no one wants to see that at games as it just creates a negative atmosphere with the focus solely on the manager rather than supporting the players. It hasn't got to that stage yet as it was a minority in the Holte yesterday but I am in no doubt it will.

I agree there is no way back now and I hope those that matter can see that and act swiftly as there is still much to play for.

 

Was a sizeable minority though Mark - I’d say over a third, maybe even more than half, of the Upper Holte, and that’s only of those that remained. Many more had already protested by leaving.

Regardless, I agree, the tide has turned - during and after the game I didn’t hear a single favourable comment.

[markavfc40]

Just now, terrytini said:

Was a sizeable minority though Mark - I’d say over a third, maybe even more than half, of the Upper Holte, and that’s only of those that remained. Many more had already protested by leaving.

Regardless, I agree, the tide has turned - during and after the game I didn’t hear a single favourable comment.

Yes certainly in the upper Holte Terry. I am in the lower and there was pretty much nothing down there. The only positive I heard were after we scored and a couple of rounds of SB's claret and blue army.

I don't see the need for it to have to get any worse than it has with the anti Bruce chanting at Blackburn and at the end of the game yesterday. If it is clear for the vast majority of us to see he is done then it should be for the owners. The only worry is they have been here a couple of months and the man responsible for the day to day running a handful of weeks so they may be prepared to give him more grace or may be unprepared in terms of any thoughts on a replacement. It is a big test for them but I hope they act now as I think it will lift a cloud, prevent things getting really nasty and if they bring in the right replacement ultimately result in promotion.

[HongKongVillan]

Very quiet from the press likely nothing is happening how ever much we moan about this. Long season ahead

[cbr600rr]

their a start

theirs a middle

theirs a end.

 

[TrentVilla]

I was in the Lower Witton, there were people around me calling for his head and I could see people in the lower Holte doing so as well. 

It was the minority certainly but it wasn’t a small one and it will grow rapidly. It would have been louder had so many not already departed I’m sure.

[El Zen]

I texted my brother yesterday during the game. He wasn’t able to watch the game but even if he were, I’m not sure he would. He’s been a Villa fan for 20+ years, which is all my fault, and endured some really shitty times. When we last won anything, he was two years old. He’s made the pilgrimage to VP from Norway a dozen or so times and maybe seen us win once, certainly not more than twice. Never waivered in his support. But now, he’s more or less indifferent. It’s stopped being fun. Even in a shitty league with relatively silly resources at our disposal, Bruce can’t bring any sort of excitement and pride to watching the Villa play. I’ve always said I like the bloke just don’t rate him as a manager, but I’m starting to resent him. He’s sucking the fun out of being a Villa fan. I’m not even sure I can be bothered watching our next game with him in charge. 

Edited September 23, 2018 by Michelsen