John Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 4 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: It's very possible but from my loose understanding of what happened at Hull I believe he was given assurances around having a transfer pot of x amount which never materialised, as such he felt he could not carry out the job and left, I'd imagine it was very similar to the MoN walkout here in that respect. Whilst he may still walk, he can't claim that it's due to broken assurances, surely he knows as well as anyone and better than most what financial position we're in. I wonder if he thought (as may well prove to be the case) that he would not be allowed to replace players we released and sold with even free transfer or loan signings because we couldn't add any more names to our wage bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA_Villa Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 On 27/06/2018 at 13:15, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: https://www.myoldmansaid.com/the-media-silence-of-steve-bruces-under-achievement-at-villa/ Yup, as well as a section of the fans. Thank you! Top, Top, Top Article. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I suspect Bruce is keeping quiet and waiting on what might actually happen in the next 3 weeks. If come August Xia is still here, the best players have been sold, we have no money, and are in a good chance of administration then Bruce will walk. In the meantime I think he is keeping his powder dry and working on a day to day basis at the club. Even in our diminished standing I can't see many other comparable championship clubs Bruce would go to in the short term instead of us either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Bruce is now in a no-lose situation, unless we go under, which is highly unlikely. Whether Bruce walks, is sacked or just does a piss poor job, the blame will fall on the shoulders of those that run the club and have made the Aston Villa manager role more difficult than a fingerless fluffer. The perfect excuses have already been written for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 hours ago, jacketspuds said: Bruce is now in a no-lose situation, unless we go under, which is highly unlikely. Whether Bruce walks, is sacked or just does a piss poor job, the blame will fall on the shoulders of those that run the club and have made the Aston Villa manager role more difficult than a fingerless fluffer. The perfect excuses have already been written for him. This can be the only logically reason he is sticking around. Must be on a good wage too. I can see him getting sacked during the season whilst we languish near the bottom. His replacement won’t be able to do much better but hopefully does enough to keep us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: This can be the only logically reason he is sticking around. Must be on a good wage too. I can see him getting sacked during the season whilst we languish near the bottom. His replacement won’t be able to do much better but hopefully does enough to keep us up. The only logical reason. Really? Maybe, just maybe his professional pride is hurting and he wants to give it another go, despite the inevitable financial constraints. Maybe, he still sees this as his biggest job, and still sees the potential to achieve something really significant. People talking about ready made excuses like he needs them, the guy lost both his parents within weeks of eachother and he was still front and centre on the touchline just days after both. People can question his style, his tactics etc - that's fair game, people will always disagree but that is fair game. To question his integrity is personal, petty and pretty sad in my book. Edit - based on him still being here of course come kick off, I think it's still very much in the balance personally Edited June 30, 2018 by bannedfromHandV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: The only logical reason. Really? Maybe, just maybe his professional pride is hurting and he wants to give it another go, despite the inevitable financial constraints. Maybe, he still sees this as his biggest job, and still sees the potential to achieve something really significant. People talking about ready made excuses like he needs them, the guy lost both his parents within weeks of eachother and he was still front and centre on the touchline just days after both. People can question his style, his tactics etc - that's fair game, people will always disagree but that is fair game. To question his integrity is personal, petty and pretty sad in my book. Edit - based on him still being here of course come kick off, I think it's still very much in the balance personally Who’s questioning his integrity? He is looking after number one and so he should be. I’ve no doubt he will give his best if stays as manager. I just don’t think his best will be enough. I personally don’t think any managers best will be enough once we see the squad we start the season with. It’s going to be a horrible season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Who’s questioning his integrity? He is looking after number one and so he should be. I’ve no doubt he will give his best if stays as manager. I just don’t think his best will be enough. I personally don’t think any managers best will be enough once we see the squad we start the season with. It’s going to be a horrible season Saying the only logical reason he's staying is because of his wage and a perceived no lose situation is questioning his integrity, his professional integrity at least. We don't know what we don't know yet, things change quickly (as we know from the buzz of potential promotion to the despair of potential administration). Sure, things ain't seeming great, lots of rumour and hearsay but we're still here, we have the fixtures for next season, we're relaying the pitch ready for next season, we still have a Manager (for now) and as of yet no one we didn't expect not to leave, has left. Right now I'm still looking forward to the start of the season, may change quickly of course but no point fretting about something I can't accurately predict or control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerner's Driver Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: No point fretting about something I can't accurately predict or control. Sound logic, but if adhered to, wouldn't that negate the need for Villa Talk? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifamad Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 5 hours ago, jacketspuds said: Bruce is now in a no-lose situation, unless we go under, which is highly unlikely. Whether Bruce walks, is sacked or just does a piss poor job, the blame will fall on the shoulders of those that run the club and have made the Aston Villa manager role more difficult than a fingerless fluffer. The perfect excuses have already been written for him. This is exactly what I’ve said. It’s win win situation for Bruce along with a handsome wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Saying the only logical reason he's staying is because of his wage and a perceived no lose situation is questioning his integrity, his professional integrity at least. We don't know what we don't know yet, things change quickly (as we know from the buzz of potential promotion to the despair of potential administration). Sure, things ain't seeming great, lots of rumour and hearsay but we're still here, we have the fixtures for next season, we're relaying the pitch ready for next season, we still have a Manager (for now) and as of yet no one we didn't expect not to leave, has left. Right now I'm still looking forward to the start of the season, may change quickly of course but no point fretting about something I can't accurately predict or control. I don’t think it’s questioning his integrity at all. If anything its complimenting him and his nous to do what’s best for himself in the current situation. Unless you honestly think we have a chance of being successful next season? If that’s the case then I can see why you may feel the way you do about the comments on Bruce. I personally think you’re being a little naive mate. Edited June 30, 2018 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 @briny_ear I got your post by email notification but can’t see it in here. I honestly don’t believe that thinking Bruce’s main motivation to stay being money is questioning his integrity. I actually think it’s quite a sensible move by him. He is lot wiser than many give him credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Speculation is the only certain thing, surrounding our club, right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: @briny_ear I got your post by email notification but can’t see it in here. I honestly don’t believe that thinking Bruce’s main motivation to stay being money is questioning his integrity. I actually think it’s quite a sensible move by him. He is lot wiser than many give him credit for. I think it’s been deleted. (Not by me.) Bit of a systems failure I guess, that a deleted post is nonetheless notified by email! Let me say again, I believe you have no grounds for making assumptions about Bruce’s motivation. This is pure ungrounded speculation. Edited June 30, 2018 by briny_ear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I don’t think it’s questioning his integrity at all. If anything its complimenting him and his nous to do what’s best for himself in the current situation. Unless you honestly think we have a chance of being successful next season? If that’s the case then I can see why you may feel the way you do about the comments on Bruce. I personally think you’re being a little naive mate. Whats naive? To think that a guy with a 35 odd year career in football might have a smidgeon of professional pride? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 (edited) At the moment if we lose all our decent players and have a whole new team or some how by the grace of God keep them, for me at this point, the best thing could possibly be keeping Bruce. Bare with me, I think Bruce is a nice guy and most players actually like playing for him, so with him still wanting to be here it will motivate the squad and then we won’t get relegated and hopefully during the season the club can stabilise. Edited July 1, 2018 by Tommo_b 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 9 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Whats naive? To think that a guy with a 35 odd year career in football might have a smidgeon of professional pride? His professional pride will ensure he gives it his all. The naive part was you thinking we had a chance of promotion next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Tommo_b said: At the moment if we lose all our decent players and have a whole new team or some how by the grace of God keep them, for me at this point, the best thing could possibly be keeping Bruce. Bare with me, I think Bruce is a nice guy and most players actually like playing for him, so with him still wanting to be here it will motivate the squad and then we won’t get relegated and hopefully during the season the club can stabilise. Whilst I agree with this I think whoever the manager is he will struggle and ultimately be sacked during the season. If it’s Bruce fans will say we should have got rid of sooner. If It’s somebody else fans will say we should have kept Bruce. In reality I bet it will be due to a very average playing squad. I’m just praying for a takeover to save the day and then everything changes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted July 1, 2018 Visiting Supporter Share Posted July 1, 2018 Despite the financial mess the club seem to be in, there isn’t any chance in hell that Villa will be relegated next season if Bruce is in charge. Under him Villa will still be organised and won’t concede too many. Even with Grealish and Chester sold plus the return of the loanees there is still enough in the present squad with good young players coming through to sustain mid table Championship status. Personally, with much lower expectations, I still feel Villa will surprise a few next season and with a bit of luck may squeeze into the playoffs whether new owners are in place or not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 12 hours ago, briny_ear said: I think it’s been deleted. (Not by me.) Bit of a systems failure I guess, that a deleted post is nonetheless notified by email! Let me say again, I believe you have no grounds for making assumptions about Bruce’s motivation. This is pure ungrounded speculation. We don't want to be 'briefing' against Brucie again do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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