villalad21 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Excuse sounds familiar? lol Looks like Edu's been reading VillaTalk lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 5, 2021 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2021 2 hours ago, villalad21 said: Excuse sounds familiar? lol It's familiar because it's wholly valid. Arsenal or anyone else for that matter - if you judge them over a short period, where a number of key players are missing because of covid isolation, injury and so on, well you (we) would be foolish. They look very ordinary so far, and they look like their recruitment hasn't been great, but after 3 games it's far too early to "judge". It' not an excuse, it's common sense. Fans are ridiculously short term. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 1 minute ago, blandy said: It's familiar because it's wholly valid. Arsenal or anyone else for that matter - if you judge them over a short period, where a number of key players are missing because of covid isolation, injury and so on, well you (we) would be foolish. They look very ordinary so far, and they look like their recruitment hasn't been great, but after 3 games it's far too early to "judge". It' not an excuse, it's common sense. Fans are ridiculously short term. With all due respect I don't think us or arsenal should need every single player fit in order to expect a win against Watford and Brentford. If that is the case I would worry what the bigger sides will do to us and I'd be worried about a relegation battle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, blandy said: It's familiar because it's wholly valid. Arsenal or anyone else for that matter - if you judge them over a short period, where a number of key players are missing because of covid isolation, injury and so on, well you (we) would be foolish. They look very ordinary so far, and they look like their recruitment hasn't been great, but after 3 games it's far too early to "judge". It' not an excuse, it's common sense. Fans are ridiculously short term. Arsenal will sack Artetta soon..I've not seen many managers turn that around. Let alone one as green as Artetta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, villalad21 said: With all due respect I don't think us or arsenal should need every single player fit in order to expect a win against Watford and Brentford. If that is the case I would worry what the bigger sides will do to us and I'd be worried about a relegation battle. So you think Arsenal is in this relegation battle as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: So you think Arsenal is in this relegation battle as well? If they lose to Norwich and Burnley I think they could be in trouble. Massive pressure would start to mount up at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Salad Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Just now, villalad21 said: If they lose to Norwich and Burnley I think they could be in trouble. Massive pressure would start to mount up at the very least. Even with their bad start, I don't think Arsenal will come close to relegation. Not as talented as they have been in years past yes, but still are tons better than Newcastle, Burnley, Norwich, etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Salad said: Even with their bad start, I don't think Arsenal will come close to relegation. Not as talented as they have been in years past yes, but still are tons better than Newcastle, Burnley, Norwich, etc. No disagreements there. But as you all know losing football games breeds a lack of confidence and a bad mood. Arteta needs a win badly, and fast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 5, 2021 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2021 26 minutes ago, villalad21 said: With all due respect I don't think us or arsenal should need every single player fit in order to expect a win against Watford and Brentford. There are games all through seasons where results are not what some people predict. Judging a performance in such a game, or the inverse - where results are better in one off games than predicted is a fools game, frankly. We're all fools, of course. But that is what leads to massive mood swing in supporters - "hurrah we're world beaters we beat a slimy 6 club" and "oh we're doomed, we drew with a promoted club" - mugs game. Judge the whole squad, manager, coaches etc. over a longer time frame. "Villalad did some admin wrong at work today, he really should know better than that - sack him" v "Villalad has been suffering with a cold and hasn't been as productive at work today as a result - give him a chance he's usually a good worker" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, blandy said: There are games all through seasons where results are not what some people predict. Judging a performance in such a game, or the inverse - where results are better in one off games than predicted is a fools game, frankly. We're all fools, of course. But that is what leads to massive mood swing in supporters - "hurrah we're world beaters we beat a slimy 6 club" and "oh we're doomed, we drew with a promoted club" - mugs game. Judge the whole squad, manager, coaches etc. over a longer time frame. "Villalad did some admin wrong at work today, he really should know better than that - sack him" v "Villalad has been suffering with a cold and hasn't been as productive at work today as a result - give him a chance he's usually a good worker" The injuries may be long term. And if they are you need to find a way to win. As a manager you need to make due with what you have. I thought it was exceptional the way Klopp rescued their season last year from a very difficult situation. That's what the best managers do. Don't complain, don't look for excuses. They just get on with it. Edited September 5, 2021 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted September 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2021 3 hours ago, villalad21 said: The injuries may be long term. And if they are you need to find a way to win. As a manager you need to make due with what you have. I thought it was exceptional the way Klopp rescued their season last year from a very difficult situation. That's what the best managers do. Don't complain, don't look for excuses. They just get on with it. So what Klopp does is not complain? 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I wonder if Arteta would survive a loss to Norwich. 4 games, possibly no goals, lost to the bottom team (well, bottom apart from them ). It could get ugly. We'll see how much they really trust the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted September 6, 2021 Author VT Supporter Share Posted September 6, 2021 Arsenal will be fine sadly, though would be hilarious if they weren't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 The problem with Arteta is that he doesn’t have a track record to back up the message it’ll be alright. Obviously they ain’t getting relegated but they could have a very poor season when you factor in their spending and wage bill. They need to remember sacking the manager is a 2 step process. There’s no point firing him if there isn’t anybody better waiting to come in. I’m not sure I trust Edu to have a better manager lined up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 22 minutes ago, Genie said: The problem with Arteta is that he doesn’t have a track record to back up the message it’ll be alright. Obviously they ain’t getting relegated but they could have a very poor season when you factor in their spending and wage bill. They need to remember sacking the manager is a 2 step process. There’s no point firing him if there isn’t anybody better waiting to come in. I’m not sure I trust Edu to have a better manager lined up. Supposedly they've been in touch with Antonio Conte and he's waiting in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 6, 2021 Moderator Share Posted September 6, 2021 13 hours ago, villalad21 said: I thought it was exceptional the way Klopp rescued their season last year from a very difficult situation. That's what the best managers do. Don't complain, don't look for excuses. They just get on with it. Yeah, so in essence, despite a bad run of results, instead of short termism and sacking a manager, a club kept faith with someone who had succeeded, then had a bad period, with injuries and stuff and loss of form and they got their reward. Funny that - they ignored the doomsayers and just got on with it. Arsenal, of course, meanwhile have struggled to replace Wenger and keep chopping and changing on the back of demand from fans and owners for better, instant, results and a place amongst the top 4 to which they hold some ridiculous sense of entitlement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 So Villa and Arsenal in the relegation battle is it? More cutting edge analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 57 minutes ago, Genie said: The problem with Arteta is that he doesn’t have a track record to back up the message it’ll be alright. Obviously they ain’t getting relegated but they could have a very poor season when you factor in their spending and wage bill. They need to remember sacking the manager is a 2 step process. There’s no point firing him if there isn’t anybody better waiting to come in. I’m not sure I trust Edu to have a better manager lined up. Probably one of his mates as manager, can see them hiring Dunga or Roberto Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 36 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Supposedly they've been in touch with Antonio Conte and he's waiting in the wings. I dont think they could afford him on or off the pitch. I could think of at least 6 high salary players he would immediately bin to the bomb squad including Xhaka, Aubameyang and Lacazette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, blandy said: Yeah, so in essence, despite a bad run of results, instead of short termism and sacking a manager, a club kept faith with someone who had succeeded, then had a bad period, with injuries and stuff and loss of form and they got their reward. Funny that - they ignored the doomsayers and just got on with it. Arsenal, of course, meanwhile have struggled to replace Wenger and keep chopping and changing on the back of demand from fans and owners for better, instant, results and a place amongst the top 4 to which they hold some ridiculous sense of entitlement. You could say that about Steve Bruce too. His 2 first 2 season was ok. 3rd season poor and had a period, and got rightfully sacked as a result. Such short termism though. This is modern football for you. It's a result business. Edited September 6, 2021 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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