Tomsub Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 33 minutes ago, PaulC said: I don't think you can deny a player the opportunity to play in the top division. he signed for us expecting that we would be promoted this year. if a club from the top flight comes in with a decent offer of about 20 mil then, all we can do is beg him to stay but we cant keep him against his will. Errrrrr - yes we can. That's why we have a contract with him for 4 years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 18 hours ago, Grasshopper said: no but we're straying off the point. I think bruce had his chance, he hasnt made the best of it. Great choice to change subject from an argument you were losing. But if it passed your notice, this is the kodjia thread so talking about the money we spent on kodjia is probably more apt than what you change the subject too. Bruce. So, in fact you're straying from the point which is purely to fit your agenda. Congrats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, Mjvilla said: Great choice to change subject from an argument you were losing. But if it passed your notice, this is the kodjia thread so talking about the money we spent on kodjia is probably more apt than what you change the subject too. Bruce. So, in fact you're straying from the point which is purely to fit your agenda. Congrats. I simply didnt want to write it all out again. Yes, the board would have bought someone else. But as a matter of fact, whoever you bring in (even Messi) is 50/50 if it works or not. So there is no garantee on anyone being able to equal Kodjia's goal tally and/or its importance. But I will now go OT to win an arguement (as thats all I try to achieve on here) Kodjia -> bought for 15mill -> has delivered Bruce -> brought in (for a kebab or 2 -joke) for promotion - hasnt delivered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: I simply didnt want to write it all out again. Yes, the board would have bought someone else. But as a matter of fact, whoever you bring in (even Messi) is 50/50 if it works or not. So there is no garantee on anyone being able to equal Kodjia's goal tally and/or its importance. But I will now go OT to win an arguement (as thats all I try to achieve on here) Kodjia -> bought for 15mill -> has delivered Bruce -> brought in (for a kebab or 2 -joke) for promotion - hasnt delivered I think, THINK, you have just repeated the exact same point I made. That they could've been a flop. But your argument was, with repeated 'mck says hi', that there would've been no-one else And on the flip side, there is no way of saying that we may have bought someone else in who had scored 5 more goals and taken us into the playoffs. It's all conjecture. And as for the second bit, I believe promotion would've been the aim for this or next season, bearing in mind the shit state and position of this football club when Bruce took over. And I believe that would've come from above Bruce. So, to say argument won is pure speculation. You may have won, you may not, we can't say. But I'm sure you'll take great pleasure, as you just tried to, in proving yourself right if Bruce doesn't take us up next year. Edited April 11, 2017 by Mjvilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 15 minutes ago, Mjvilla said: I think, THINK, you have just repeated the exact same point I made. That they could've been a flop. But your argument was, with repeated 'mck says hi', that there would've been no-one else And on the flip side, there is no way of saying that we may have bought someone else in who had scored 5 more goals and taken us into the playoffs. It's all conjecture. And as for the second bit, I believe promotion would've been the aim for this or next season, bearing in mind the shit state and position of this football club when Bruce took over. And I believe that would've come from above Bruce. So, to say argument won is pure speculation. You may have won, you may not, we can't say. But I'm sure you'll take great pleasure, as you just tried to, in proving yourself right if Bruce doesn't take us up next year. Surely the point is that Kodjia has clicked this season. Another player may or may not have clicked, we will never know. Similarly you can't guarantee that a striker will be just as good next season. There are very, very few strikers that score 20 goals per season and at this moment in time, they are out of our league. So this being the case good teams score goals from a spread of players, which limits the damage done when the star man has a drop in form, gets injured etc. Relying on one player for goals is a very dangerous game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Tomsub said: Errrrrr - yes we can. That's why we have a contract with him for 4 years. We can but it never pays to keep an unhappy player. Not saying that would happen with Kodjia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 10 hours ago, PaulC said: If he was 23/24 I would agree but he will be 28 next season. He doesn't have time to hang around especially if a club like Everton come in for him. No one gonna pay the stupid Money we want did him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Agree about prem clubs but a club in China wouldn't blink twice I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 35 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Agree about prem clubs but a club in China wouldn't blink twice I'm sure. Not a big enough name, though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 31 minutes ago, bobzy said: Not a big enough name, though. He would be once he got there and started scoring mind you... He would rip that league a new arsehole! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Just now, DJ_Villain said: He would be once he got there and started scoring mind you... He would rip that league a new arsehole! Oh yeah, completely agree. Just that a Chinese club spending huge money will want an established (or relatively established) name. Jonathan Kodjia isn't that (...just yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, DJ_Villain said: He would be once he got there and started scoring mind you... He would rip that league a new arsehole! Yeah, I am sure there are lesser players who have made the move to China, I believe 1 may even have played for us at some point but can't remember the name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15, 2017 On 12/04/2017 at 12:37, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Yeah, I am sure there are lesser players who have made the move to China, I believe 1 may even have played for us at some point but can't remember the name. But they won't have gone for game changing wages, probably just a slightly better wage than they could get elsewhere. They would have to offer JK a huge incentive at this stage of his career and I am sure they would want a bigger name to throw those kind of wages around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Brain dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 So stupid, but that should never be a red card. The rules really need looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonIsAPlaceOnEarth Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Borderline red card. Was stupid to give the referee the option though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just now, DevonIsAPlaceOnEarth said: Borderline red card. Was stupid to give the referee the option though. Borderline? He kicked him while he was on the floor. Easy decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 The problem I have with it is that it isn't "violent". He's not causing any damage. The boot from the Fulham player was worse - but that gets nothing at all. Kodjia gets a red? Bonkers rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Brainless play given the rules of the game but it really does underscore how soft the game has become. In a more manly era it would have been considered handbags at ten paces, a quick word from the ref, both players shake hands and they then get on with the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonIsAPlaceOnEarth Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Borderline? He kicked him while he was on the floor. Easy decision. Just seen the side view, you're right. Nothing borderline there. Stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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