Stoobs Posted September 27, 2022 Visiting Supporter Share Posted September 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Demitri_C said: She will get off 100% disgusting and there should bw riots if she does. 100%. We should be out on the streets, in our thousands, smashing up shops, looting, attacking all the emergency services, setting fire to everything. Anything else that I have missed that constitutes a riot, we should be doing. Seems like the only fair and balanced response. Well said. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Stoobs said: 100%. We should be out on the streets, in our thousands, smashing up shops, looting, attacking all the emergency services, setting fire to everything. Anything else that I have missed that constitutes a riot, we should be doing. Seems like the only fair and balanced response. Well said. Fine. Let us know if a relative if yours is ever tasered and beaten to death by the police and we can stand around making smartarsed comments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Stoobs said: 100%. We should be out on the streets, in our thousands, smashing up shops, looting, attacking all the emergency services, setting fire to everything. Anything else that I have missed that constitutes a riot, we should be doing. Seems like the only fair and balanced response. Well said. Ok lets let them get away with it by having a moan on facebook instead. That will will show them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoobs Posted September 28, 2022 Visiting Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Ok lets let them get away with it by having a moan on facebook instead. That will will show them What about an organised and dignified demonstration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 As many suspected, she's been cleared. Quote A police officer has been found not guilty of assaulting an ex-footballer the night he was killed. Mary Ellen Bettley-Smith was accused of striking Dalian Atkinson with her baton when he posed no threat in August 2016, but claimed she was "very frightened". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-63063137 This is a dreadful outcome. I doubt this would have been the same verdict if the roles were reversed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I didnt witness it but if the other copper was done then why wasn't this one. Weren't their vest cams switched off too. Summat smells fishy with this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 At least there will be a disciplinary process. Genuinely hope she is sacked, she has proved herself unfit to be a police officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, Talldarkandransome said: I didnt witness it but if the other copper was done then why wasn't this one. Weren't their vest cams switched off too. Summat smells fishy with this She admitted striking Atkinson three times while he was unconscious and she said she was afraid. I am not sure a man could use that as a defense. When a man and a woman are involved in the same crime, the man is usually considered to be more culpable and gets the longer sentence. The male copper got eight years which was considered enough to satisfy public outrage, so she was always going to get off lightly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeVillan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Read the BBC report before you judge. She was acquitted by a jury and not some corrupt police force. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 38 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: She admitted striking Atkinson three times while he was unconscious and she said she was afraid. I am not sure a man could use that as a defense. When a man and a woman are involved in the same crime, the man is usually considered to be more culpable and gets the longer sentence. The male copper got eight years which was considered enough to satisfy public outrage, so she was always going to get off lightly. A trained copper being afraid of an unconscious man is worrying, and then hitting him 3 times while he was unconscious is even more worrying. You're in the wrong job 14 minutes ago, TreeVillan said: Read the BBC report before you judge. She was acquitted by a jury and not some corrupt police force. I've not mentioned corrupt anything, I'm sure the jury had no preconceived ideas about anything. Wouldn't be the first time someone has got away with summat and won't be the last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Talldarkandransome said: A trained copper being afraid of an unconscious man is worrying, and then hitting him 3 times while he was unconscious is even more worrying. You're in the wrong job I've not mentioned corrupt anything, I'm sure the jury had no preconceived ideas about anything. Wouldn't be the first time someone has got away with summat and won't be the last 6 months on the job and on probation, so barely trained. But surely she should be under no illusions this is not it right career for her now. I don't know what fear she was going through at the time, but if her reaction is to beat someone that is unconscious it says she isn't able to control herself and should never work another day as an officer on the streets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted September 28, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 Let's be honest there's not many women who would be physically able to control a determined criminal or a mentally unstable man, I don't blame her for being scared but she shouldn't be a police officer without being able to deal with that sort of thing happening without panicking and needlessly assaulting someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 16 hours ago, briny_ear said: At least there will be a disciplinary process. Genuinely hope she is sacked, she has proved herself unfit to be a police officer. I don't hold up much hope for that either, I hope I'm wrong, if I am that suggests they don't agree with the jury's decision, so I can't see that happening. She really shouldn't have walked free from that court, in my opinion if not in that of the jury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 On 29/09/2022 at 10:41, John said: I don't hold up much hope for that either, I hope I'm wrong, if I am that suggests they don't agree with the jury's decision, so I can't see that happening. She really shouldn't have walked free from that court, in my opinion if not in that of the jury. Firstly I 100% agree, she should be locked up. The copper who beat Dalian to death was actually her boyfriend. Perhaps he was showing her how tough he was and she wanted to “prove” herself too. She was apparently a probationary copper at the time. The disciplinary hearing has ended today and found her guilty of using excessive force. According to the board the first 3 blows to the already flat out Dalian, we’re fine, but the next 3 were excessive. I’m struggling to know how they came to the conclusion on the first three baton strikes. Independent witnesses have already said that he was flat out and not moving, having been tasered and kicked brutally in the head. Reverse the rolls and put an already unconscious police officer on the ground. Would anyone involved, physically or not, have escaped jail? This WPC may get a final warning or even a jolly good sacking. When did I move to Russia?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, DaveAV1 said: Firstly I 100% agree, she should be locked up. The copper who beat Dalian to death was actually her boyfriend. Perhaps he was showing her how tough he was and she wanted to “prove” herself too. She was apparently a probationary copper at the time. The disciplinary hearing has ended today and found her guilty of using excessive force. According to the board the first 3 blows to the already flat out Dalian, we’re fine, but the next 3 were excessive. I’m struggling to know how they came to the conclusion on the first three baton strikes. Independent witnesses have already said that he was flat out and not moving, having been tasered and kicked brutally in the head. Reverse the rolls and put an already unconscious police officer on the ground. Would anyone involved, physically or not, have escaped jail? This WPC may get a final warning or even a jolly good sacking. When did I move to Russia?? The first three baton strikes were before the kick to the head. But he was (according to witnesses) motionless after going to ground following his third tasering, and the first three baton strikes were after he was motionless lying down. Quite how they find those first three strikes reasonable, I agree, is somewhat bewildering. Maybe they're erring on the side of finding a middle ground. She should definitely get sacked, having shown she is not capable of handling a situation like that appropriately and been found guilty of gross misconduct. In any industry you get sacked for that don't you? In one that requires you to uphold the law and where conduct is one of the most critical attributes, it must be mandatory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone be disciplined for gross misconduct and not been sacked. That’s kinda the point of gross misconduct. If she had any sense of morality she would have resigned by now anyway, but then I guess there has to be a lack of morality to begin with in wanting to be a copper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Just don’t see how anyone can trust the police any more (a) to act proportionately when dealing with people who are not committing a crime but just very distressed and upsetting some members of the public ( b) to investigate and deal justly with cases where police officers clearly overstep the rules. This just adds to the current crisis in confidence in my humble view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 As the panel found her to be negligent and labelled her actions as 'unlawful'. Does this mean there's the possibility that the family could now sue her and/or the relevant force? Not that it could ever make much difference. Just wondered if that's the end of it or whether the family could get dragged through the court system again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 15 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone be disciplined for gross misconduct and not been sacked. That’s kinda the point of gross misconduct. Its obscene. In this job more than any other it's imperative that these folks are removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 18, 2023 I thought Dalian's sister came across very well, with a dignified but measured statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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