John Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 On 06/08/2017 at 13:10, The Fun Factory said: I think chucking Samba on yesterday shows that McCormack short lived Villa career is well and truly over. That's 12 million we are never going to get back. I would rather have seen Ross come on to try to get us a late winner on Saturday than Chris Samba so it does appear he still may not be in SB's plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 minute ago, John said: I would rather have seen Ross come on to try to get us a late winner on Saturday than Chris Samba so it does appear he still may not be in SB's plans. Makes you think how bad bruces and McCormack woeking relationship is for him to prefer samba to you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted August 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 8, 2017 41 minutes ago, John said: I would rather have seen Ross come on to try to get us a late winner on Saturday than Chris Samba so it does appear he still may not be in SB's plans. Tbf samba would pose completely different problems to the ones McCormack would have offered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Anyone else think the Samba substitution was more of a message to the board that Bruce wants (and needs) a big target man? It's all well and dandy having all these "clinical/clever" strikers but if you aren't going to set up the team to play to their strengths then they are pissing into the wind. It's the reason I'm coming around to the idea that Bruce isn't the manager for us, but that's for another thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hoof hearted said: Anyone else think the Samba substitution was more of a message to the board that Bruce wants (and needs) a big target man? It's all well and dandy having all these "clinical/clever" strikers but if you aren't going to set up the team to play to their strengths then they are pissing into the wind. It's the reason I'm coming around to the idea that Bruce isn't the manager for us, but that's for another thread. Well then he shouldn't have spent £12m on Hogan.................................................................................................................................................................................................................... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carewjust4u Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Hoof hearted said: Anyone else think the Samba substitution was more of a message to the board that Bruce wants (and needs) a big target man? It's all well and dandy having all these "clinical/clever" strikers but if you aren't going to set up the team to play to their strengths then they are pissing into the wind. It's the reason I'm coming around to the idea that Bruce isn't the manager for us, but that's for another thread. You're looking too much into it, it was the final few mins of the game and he wanted a few flick on's up top. Samba has played there before (bizarrely), and Bruce was just utilising the resources he had to hand. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 23 hours ago, TRO said: but how many McCormacks have we had over the last 10 years far too many IMO Its simply not sustainable to have so many "pigs in pokes".....sure all clubs do it.....but the ones that do it less have more success. I am rather hoping we have a plan to limit this naive activity.....I also think changing management and coaching staff too often, can contribute. Since I have been watching Villa we had 2 tactics in the transfer window-essentially paying over the odds for average players with little resale value or 'young and hungry' types in which about 80% have been failures. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) has Ross gone yet?.....its like a turtles head. Edited August 8, 2017 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, carewjust4u said: You're looking too much into it, it was the final few mins of the game and he wanted a few flick on's up top. Samba has played there before (bizarrely), and Bruce was just utilising the resources he had to hand. I think if he had someone like Alan Shearer he would have brought HIM on. Edited August 8, 2017 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 14 hours ago, TRO said: I think if he had someone like Alan Shearer he would have brought HIM on. At 46? Second thoughts, I guess that he and most if not all of us would have done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reivax_Villa Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Should we hang on to him? We might end up with a manager that could get the best out of him.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Reivax_Villa said: Should we hang on to him? We might end up with a manager that could get the best out of him.. I feel that Mac is worth holding onto. He may have been to blame in the fall out, but SB shouldn't have cut him out of the picture. Football aside, we're talking about a major financial asset going to waste. Poor management from that point of view alone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 It's definitely a point to put in the sack Bruce now column. An expensive proven striker at this level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Reivax_Villa said: Should we hang on to him? We might end up with a manager that could get the best out of him.. I think there is a strong case for playing him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Personal issues/attitude aside the problem is he isn't a hoof ball player, Bruce will sell him rather than try and play to his qualities and replace him with someone like crouch who fits his perfected tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 3 hours ago, DCJonah said: It's definitely a point to put in the sack Bruce now column. An expensive proven striker at this level. Cutting his nose off to spite his face, although in Bruce's case it would be an improvement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 We are struggling to score, and yet we have a guy who scores 15+ goals a season, but we want to get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodsBarkeep Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 If he does thrive on being 'the man', as I believe some have suggested, now might be a good opportunity for him to show what he's got to offer Is it a case that he doesn't want to be here, or is he being forced out in regards to ffp with the aim of getting a target man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 He's done nothing under two managers at villa nothing at forrest. Personal problems are well documented. Its clearly not any managers fault. Love him to come good but cant see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Last season was clearly an outlier in his career and he had his off field issues. Depression is should not be treated lightly, but Ross seemed to turn things around and came back to the club ready and willing. I wish we could give him a go. We aren't in a position to be turning players away at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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