Popular Post blandy Posted October 2, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, TrentVilla said: Ah I see. Well personally I don't subscribe to that view held by Richard that it was always going to a 2 year goal, I'm not sure many did. If it were I can kind of understand why you would say it's too early to judge. There is plenty of time to improve but the problem is the starting point for that improvement is so bloody low and there is little if anything to suggest any will come under this manager. So 1 year plan or 2 year plan for me it doesn't matter Di Matteo is still not the guy for the job and should go as soon as possible. I was another (and still am) who thought that we'd not go up this season. I think it's a pretty early stage to make a judgement, but I went to PNE yesterday and, just..... We were well beaten by a side which was committed, organised, had a solid system, whose players knew their roles, who knew their game plan and whose formation was set up to win the game, and if not win it, then certainly be damned hard to beat. They have some good players (2 came from Villa). Their fans have a different level of expectation and were delighted with the way they played. But having said all that, the resources of the two clubs are miles apart. They're a recent League 1 side, ffs. We were clueless, didn't play as a team, were set up wrong, and didn't know what to do, with no-one either on or off the pitch grabbing the situation and sorting things out. The two goals we conceded were both mistakes by individual players, with team mates not helping. I'm concerned that it's actually the coaching and fitness which is the major problem, as well as players unable to deal with pressure, from opponents and from the expectation. The manager picked the coaches, and so has to carry that can. But changing the manager (again) without getting to a situation which accepts the nature of the league we're in, where everyone is basically scrapping like dogs in every game and where Villa (along with a couple of other sides) represent a particular scalp will not solve the situation. Neither the manager nor the coaches nor the players on the pitch appear to have a clue what to do, how to change things during games. The line-ups at the start are mystifying and the abilities of the attacking players are not being made use of, because they seem too far apart - there are no partnerships up front, in midfield or at the back, no digging in and helping your mates out, no intuitive interplay going forward, just individuals and "hoping someone does something". The club needs a manager who can instill more discipline and organisation in the play and to get them to do the basics right and start to gell together. Walk before you can run. Whoever is manager it will not happen overnight, and it was never going to, but RDM has made a mess of it. Edited October 2, 2016 by blandy typos 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, villarocker said: I'm not sure how I feel about him now. I kept saying we need to stick with him and have some continuity but after yesterday's performance I'm not so sure. Clearly, individual errors are costing us, especially yesterday against Preston but, who picked those players? He could have gotten rid of Westwood in the summer but kept him. He also bought Jedinak. He put that team out yesterday too. You can only defend so far and I am now not sure what the answer is. We certainly don't seem to be improving, which is a huge worry. It's not just about the mistakes—the problem for me is we seem to have no idea what we're doing in attack. Plus, the situation in central midfield, the lack of options and balance, is ridiculous considering how much money we spent in the summer. Edited October 2, 2016 by praisedmambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwdriver Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I dont think the team are working hard enough when we don't have the ball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Thankfully we only gave him a two year contract so the compo won't be much. I have to say we have had some really crap managers lately, but di Matteo has been by far the worst. How the hell do you manage to blow more money than Sherwood, play at a lower level and have a worse record than Sherwood? thats diabolical. Arrivaderci floperto 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, blandy said: I was another (and still am) who thought that we'd not go up this season.I think it's a pretty early stage to make a judgement, but I went to PNE yesterday and, just..... At the end of last season i would have agreed with you, there was simply to much work to be done to even consider promotion. Quote But having said all that, the resources of the two clubs are miles apart. They're a recent League 1 side, ffs. This is where things changed for me, there was plenty to do, but fair play to the club, plenty was done. 90% of tbe teams in this division would be looking at our spending in the summer with the same level of bewilderment as we view the likes of City and Chelsea. Its a staggering amount of money, an amount which probably made many fans (including myself) reevaluate there predictions for the season. A good manager should be able to at least drag this bunch of players into the playoffs, and i know some people might laugh at this, but if we get the next appointment right (assumimg RDM will be leaving imminently) i still don't think its too late this season. Edited October 2, 2016 by blandy quoting sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 4 hours ago, Ginko said: In his defence, Tshibola had just returned from injury and so many games in such a short time may have been a bit too much, but you'd like to think he could have started and maybe played for 60 minutes at least. I'd agree if he'd played 90 min in his last 2 games but he played about 90 min in both. He's our best midfielder and with a 2 week break you can risk him a bit more. Also if you're fit enough for the bench you have to be fit enough to play 90 Mia's you never know if there is an jujury coming. Anyway it looks like he'll be gone by morning anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 1 hour ago, av1 said: A good manager should be able to at least drag this bunch of players into the playoffs, and i know some people might laugh at this, but if we get the next appointment right (assumimg RDM will be leaving imminently) i still don't think its too late this season. Definitely not too late with the right person in charge. We still have 35 games left to play, only 3 less games than a full premier league season and 105 points to play for. We are 10 points away from the play-offs and 15 points away from top. It is feasible that with the correct run of results we could wipe out this difference by Christmas. Can't see things changing with RDM and his 4-1-5 formation at the helm though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Demitri_C Posted October 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2016 One win all season humilated by Luton town players look completely unfit Central midfield is absolutely diabolical tactically inept if that's not a warrant to be fired then nothing is. Piss poor appointment. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 One of these days we might actually get a honeymoon period out of a new manager, hopefully starting with RDMs successor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 3 hours ago, blandy said: I was another (and still am) who thought that we'd not go up this season. I think it's a pretty early stage to make a judgement, but I went to PNE yesterday and, just..... We were well beaten by a side which was committed, organised, had a solid system, whose players knew their roles, who knew their game plan and whose formation was set up to win the game, and if not win it, then certainly be damned hard to beat. They have some good players (2 came from Villa). Their fans have a different level of expectation and were delighted with the way they played. But having said all that, the resources of the two clubs are miles apart. They're a recent League 1 side, ffs. We were clueless, didn't play as a team, were set up wrong, and didn't know what to do, with no-one either on or off the pitch grabbing the situation and sorting things out. The two goals we conceded were both mistakes by individual players, with team mates not helping. I'm concerned that it's actually the coaching and fitness which is the major problem, as well as players unable to deal with pressure, from opponents and from the expectation. The manager picked the coaches, and so has to carry that can. But changing the manager (again) without getting to a situation which accepts the nature of the league we're in, where everyone is basically scrapping like dogs in every game and where Villa (along with a couple of other sides) represent a particular scalp will not solve the situation. Neither the manager nor the coaches nor the players on the pitch appear to have a clue what to do, how to change things during games. The line-ups at the start are mystifying and the abilities of the attacking players are not being made use of, because they seem too far apart - there are no partnerships up front, in midfield or at the back, no digging in and helping your mates out, no intuitive interplay going forward, just individuals and "hoping someone does something". The club needs a manager who can instill more discipline and organisation in the play and to get them to do the basics right and start to gell together. Walk before you can run. Whoever is manager it will not happen overnight, and it was never going to, but RDM has made a mess of it. ditto It was never going to happen overnight, but with the money spent and the coaches we have....1 win in 11 is not what we was expecting either. sure it could take 2 years.....but this is a relegation fight now Pete ( as we stand)....It will take a huge turn around in what we are seeing on the pitch to make that statement ridiculous....because it should be ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 ..............as the saying goes "you have to win the right to play football" and thats the bit this team don't get. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) nobody wanted to be in this position with RDM and we all know these things take time, but as an analogy If you start a jigsaw puzzle particularly a big one, it is prudent or customary to start building the edges first to give yourself a start and to lower the odds....If you don't do that and folk are watching you....they would be forgiven for thinking you a haven't got much idea. He was never going to cure our ills in this time.....but what he has achieved leaves us all in doubt that its going anywhere good Edited October 2, 2016 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) I have been informed by a player that he has been sacked. Take it or leave it as I won't say any more than that Edited October 2, 2016 by dont_do_it_doug. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted October 2, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted October 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I have been informed by a player that he has been sacked. Take it or leave it as I won't say anymore than that Time for Round & Wyness to earn their corn and advise Dr. T on the correct appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I've defended him pretty far but if he has been sacked, he can hardly complain. Results haven't been good enough, and we shouldn't be in or around the relegation zone. It's clear that his summer recruitment was defective as well, we need at least two excellent midfielders ready to go and that hasn't happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I have been informed by a player that he has been sacked. Take it or leave it as I won't say anymore than that You can't ..........and don't let anyone press you. just hope we get one that can make a bit of a difference.....and give teams a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 16 minutes ago, TRO said: You can't ..........and don't let anyone press you. just hope we get one that can make a bit of a difference.....and give teams a game. Who was it? just messing. Well I really hope the gambles are over as if we were poker players we would be bankrupt and lost all our houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 1 minute ago, TRO said: You can't ..........and don't let anyone press you. I won't don't worry. Regardless there is almost zero chance he survives this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 33 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I have been informed by a player that he has been sacked. Take it or leave it as I won't say any more than that Thanks for posting this Dave. Never easy, as people can give pelters for any info given out. Knowing this, would Clarke and Bond be following you think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 37 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I have been informed by a player that he has been sacked. Take it or leave it as I won't say anymore than that A player or a 'player'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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