Vincenzo Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) Love, love, love Villa Park! It is Aston Villa as we all know it, loved by Villa fans and fans from other clubs…but….commercially it doesn’t fit into the equation, unfortunately Brutal, but football is all about money now 🩵 Edited April 25 by Vincenzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 52 minutes ago, Captain_Townsend said: I'm not trying to be smart but the current location has been home to a large stadium for 125 years, at times, when it was one of the largest grounds in England. Villa park was very different back then. It could hold twice as many people as it can now and there was no need for it to be bringing in revenue from other sources. We now need it to be multi-use with a large capacity. The current site is sandwiched between two roads with residential housing in close proximity, limited parking and is in an area which has one of the highest crime rates in the city. Its not really conducive to attracting masses of the paying public to fund the club's growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 The more I think about it, the more I think that people may be right in that we will try to buy the houses behind the DE stand and build a new stand behind it, before doing the North Stand. Assuming we will still host games at Euro 28 it gives us 4 years to buy up the properties, get a design together with planning permission and start building after the tournament. I think we can just ask for an extension of the North Stand planning permission and build it after. Hopefully we just offer the residents life-changing money and a new home rather than getting a CPO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pongo Waring Posted April 25 Popular Post Share Posted April 25 The New Premium seats at Villa Park 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dog Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 4 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said: The New Premium seats at Villa Park Last time I went to Old Trafford in the rain I got that wet (ooer) from their shitty roof. I'm not sure it was even raining, I think it was local, Ten Hag panic desperation in the atmosphere. Or Bruno crying, because he looks like a chipmunk without a barber or a dentist. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ender4 Posted April 26 Popular Post Share Posted April 26 I think we would have easily sold 50,000 tickets yesterday for the Olympiacos game, and that's without it going to general sale. Probably 55-60k with general sale. There are probably 8 games a season where we could easily sell 60k tickets for a game. The rest we can probably sell 50k tickets. Part of the issue is because everyone knows that tickets get sold out so quickly, most casual fans don't even bother trying to get tickets. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 11 minutes ago, ender4 said: I think we would have easily sold 50,000 tickets yesterday for the Olympiacos game, and that's without it going to general sale. Probably 55-60k with general sale. There are probably 8 games a season where we could easily sell 60k tickets for a game. The rest we can probably sell 50k tickets. Part of the issue is because everyone knows that tickets get sold out so quickly, most casual fans don't even bother trying to get tickets. I am not sure we could regularly fill over 50k, nevermind 60k. Our fan base is fickle and not that dedicated when results drop off. When in Championship our average attendance was 32k, while Newcastles was 51k...98% capacity of their stadium. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, Czarnikjak said: I am not sure we could regularly fill over 50k, nevermind 60k. Our fan base is fickle and not that dedicated when results drop off. When in Championship our average attendance was 32k, while Newcastles was 51k...98% capacity of their stadium. Thats poor isnt it! Compared to Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: I am not sure we could regularly fill over 50k, nevermind 60k. Our fan base is fickle and not that dedicated when results drop off. When in Championship our average attendance was 32k, while Newcastles was 51k...98% capacity of their stadium. Those are numbers without context though. We had a lot fans silently protesting ownership of the club too. Edited April 26 by Villa_Vids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said: Those are numbers are without context though. We had a lot fans silently protesting ownership of the club too. Newcastle fans didn't exactly love Ashley either from what I remember. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, sne said: Newcastle fans didn't exactly love Ashley either from what I remember. But they had a manager they liked in Rafa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 11 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said: Those are numbers without context though. We had a lot fans silently protesting ownership of the club too. I don't remember anybody protesting Xia in his first season when he was spending money left, right and center. I think you making this up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 39 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: I am not sure we could regularly fill over 50k, nevermind 60k. Our fan base is fickle and not that dedicated when results drop off. When in Championship our average attendance was 32k, while Newcastles was 51k...98% capacity of their stadium. If access to and from the stadium was fixed and ticket prices were appropriate we'd fill 60K every week. Charge £20 for match tickets and see how much demand skyrockets. Attendances are all relative. Our model will be to reduce affordable tickets and get 45K tourist fans in the door spending on merch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 25 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said: Those are numbers without context though. We had a lot fans silently protesting ownership of the club too. Same as all things with Newcastle attendances compared to ours - how many viable alternatives were there to those 51k fans? I know a few ST holders who walked away, started going to kiddy harriers and have actually never gone back to villa, I'm sure harriers, Stourbridge, bromsgrove etc etc all enjoyed small boosts as villa fans drifted away, I'm sure there's a few on here who started going to Walsall games, I'd guess Gateshead and blythe did too but as always villa have more than them lot up on their island did And FWIW I walked away under Bruce and haven't gone back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 18 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: I don't remember anybody protesting Xia in his first season when he was spending money left, right and center. I think you making this up. There were a small number of critics, but most fans were so relieved the Lerner era was over that there was active hostility to the red flags that he was a fraud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted April 26 VT Supporter Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, Czarnikjak said: I am not sure we could regularly fill over 50k, nevermind 60k. Our fan base is fickle and not that dedicated when results drop off. When in Championship our average attendance was 32k, while Newcastles was 51k...98% capacity of their stadium. We're not fickle, we just don't like losing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, Czarnikjak said: I don't remember anybody protesting Xia in his first season when he was spending money left, right and center. I think you making this up. I am not making this up. I said "silently" protesting. I.E we don't fully believe in the leadership or direction of the club. Prior to Xia - we had years of poor football/results at VP, bad owner, poor managers, poor players which alienated fans. Trust was broken. There is no context to your original post. Most clubs will have big attendance dips if they had the years of decline and experiences that we had. People were questioning Xia from the outset, then we had not so popular managerial appointments added on top with poor football. It is important to remember we were still one of the highest attended clubs in the championship (over 30k), if not the highest by the time of our return to the top flight. This is always never considered but only that our support is "fickle". Our core support is loyal. Our attendances rocketed under NSWE and Smith in the championship to over 40k, which showed our attendances can be increased when trust is regained with the wider fan base. IF we had that set up after Lerner, we would have had over 40k in our first championship season imo. The capacity increase is about finding that sweet spot inbetween 50k-60k imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 58 minutes ago, villa89 said: If access to and from the stadium was fixed and ticket prices were appropriate we'd fill 60K every week. Charge £20 for match tickets and see how much demand skyrockets. Attendances are all relative. Our model will be to reduce affordable tickets and get 45K tourist fans in the door spending on merch. I think we'd fill 60k each week even if we charged £35 for Cat B and £50 for Cat A games. Even if only 25% of the almost 40,000 season ticket waiting actually took up a season ticket, that takes our average attendance from 41k to 51k. Add in 2,000 extra corporate seats, and that only leaves an extra 7,000 tickets on general sale for us to fill a 60k stadium every match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 26 VT Supporter Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, Czarnikjak said: I am not sure we could regularly fill over 50k, nevermind 60k. Our fan base is fickle and not that dedicated when results drop off. When in Championship our average attendance was 32k, while Newcastles was 51k...98% capacity of their stadium. We'd been through 10 years of being dog awful and were pretty much continuing that in The Championship. As soon the wins started to flow they had to reopen the top of the Trinity Stand. Those dark days weren't a moment in time, they were the conclusion of a decade of awfulness. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 We averaged 40k in I think 2008-2009 but attendances fell off a cliff when McLeish was appointed and didn't recover until Dean Smith was appointed. I think we would fill 50k most weeks but if they keep ramping up prices the vicious cycle will kick in and will force some to quit going. That's why I don't like the noises- cancelling a new stand, and announcing more corporate in an existing stadium that isn't big enough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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