villa4europe Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: From what I have read the Anfield Stand lower tier is of a reasonable standard as it was built in the 90s. The upper tier is cramped because it was constrained by the road and houses behind it when the club have now bought up and hence the rebuild. It will probably look bigger than the Kop now. The North Stand is both a lot older and the lower tier is very cramped with seats bolted on original terracing. It ain't worth keeping. That's the part of the ground that failed miserably on the PLs disabled access policy wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 8 hours ago, maqroll said: Ah, I missed that detail. We accept your schoolboy error and it can all be forgotten when you fund a free bar before the first game once the new stand is open. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSw Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Yeah can't see them wanting to join new materials onto the old material from a building point of view. Surely makes more sense longevity wise to just build one new stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 If there was any part of the ground we'd want to simply preserve and expand, it ain't the North. Complete **** shithole from top to bottom. Good riddance. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Wonder if this will factor in? Quote Premier League and Championship clubs given green light over safe standing areas, while Wembley will offer it for domestic fixtures as move is labelled ‘a really good day for football’ Premier League and Championship clubs can apply to operate licensed safe standing areas next season, the government has confirmed. The government also confirmed that Wembley would also offer limited safe standing for fans from both sets of clubs at domestic matches later in the season, whilst other clubs are expected to apply as the season progresses. The Football Association will trial safety rails at England’s Nations League match against Germany in September, but at that stage spectators must remain seated. Once the trials are completed, and should approval be given by the Sports Grounds Safety Authority (SGSA), 892 seats in the lowest tier behind each goal – 1,784 seats in total – will be in designated safe standing areas. Sports Minister Nigel Huddleston had said in May he was ‘minded’ to offer the option to all Premier League and Championship clubs on the back of interim findings from independent research on the pilot. https://talksport.com/football/1143097/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 51 minutes ago, sne said: Wonder if this will factor in? https://talksport.com/football/1143097/ Hope so! Huge for improving atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 20 hours ago, maqroll said: Apparently there's been a change in plans. The initial plan was to build the new stand behind the current one and then swap them out upon completion. That is not happening. There will be a tear down of the NS and a rebuild on the spot, meaning a major disruption to STH there and a major eyesore for the bulk of two seasons. I read this too. Apparently the new stand will only link onto the Trinity and not the DE. I think that means the DE will be rebuilt also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, sne said: Wonder if this will factor in? https://talksport.com/football/1143097/ I think it has to surely, at least a section of the new stand. Am assuming you can have more people in stood up vs allocating a seat so an opportunity to increase capacity and revenue further. Plus, some of us just like standing up at the footy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted July 4, 2022 Administrator Share Posted July 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: I think it has to surely, at least a section of the new stand. Am assuming you can have more people in stood up vs allocating a seat so an opportunity to increase capacity and revenue further. Plus, some of us just like standing up at the footy. All the proposals for safe standing I'm aware of do not increase capacity. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 4, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: I think it has to surely, at least a section of the new stand. Am assuming you can have more people in stood up vs allocating a seat so an opportunity to increase capacity and revenue further. Plus, some of us just like standing up at the footy. Just now, limpid said: All the proposals for safe standing I'm aware of do not increase capacity. Yeah, from what I've seen it's just 1 standing place replacing 1 seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, limpid said: All the proposals for safe standing I'm aware of do not increase capacity. That makes no sense at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, bannedfromHandV said: That makes no sense at all. Think that's why it's called "safe" standing. It's a safety trade off to get it approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Each person gets their own seat… the seats are the same width, so you don’t get more people in. Way better for Atmos though. I’d much prefer to stand, we do it away games anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 20 hours ago, maqroll said: Ah, I missed that detail. I did some digging and looks like you were in fact correct. According to another fan page , the fan consultation group held in April said that they were planning to follow the Liverpool route ... Quote In the Villa Fan Consultation Group (FCG) meeting with Christian Purslow back in April, it had been explained that in terms of building a new North Stand, Villa were planning to take a similar approach to Liverpool’s recent stand rebuilding. In that, the new North Stand would be developed behind the existing one and built over it. This would allow the club to pretty much continue to operate at full capacity on matchdays, while the building work was undertaken. Apparently, it was decided against due to both the terrible nature of the existing stand, the complications of making it match or fit in the new styling, the fact it would limit our ability to future proof all aspects of the build, and the aforementioned exisiting lack of compliance with Uefa disability regulations. So you were right it was a change in plans, albeit from a point in time when the plans were only very loosely determined a couple of months ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 I see there's talk of the club regenarating Witton station (Aston is just as bad after a game). There's no point if West Midlands trains continues to put the same amount of trains on. Just put more bloody trains on after games, it really is that simple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 43 minutes ago, stewiek2 said: I see there's talk of the club regenarating Witton station (Aston is just as bad after a game). There's no point if West Midlands trains continues to put the same amount of trains on. Just put more bloody trains on after games, it really is that simple! The last few times I’ve got the train up, trains have been fairly regular, so I’d say they have started that already. Much better than what it was at the start of the season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 5 hours ago, stewiek2 said: I see there's talk of the club regenarating Witton station (Aston is just as bad after a game). There's no point if West Midlands trains continues to put the same amount of trains on. Just put more bloody trains on after games, it really is that simple! Platform extensions to increase the number of carriages will also be beneficial 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Stateside Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, stewiek2 said: I see there's talk of the club regenarating Witton station (Aston is just as bad after a game). There's no point if West Midlands trains continues to put the same amount of trains on. Just put more bloody trains on after games, it really is that simple! The club has no control over the station or the trains. I always puzzled why people think this is a easy fix. It’s the train operator and the council. The club are lucky to be in situation that development is happening already in Birmingham and the Euro bid. The club has taken advantage of this to push the council. Hopefully we see end to problems Edited July 6, 2022 by Villa_Stateside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted July 6, 2022 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2022 10 hours ago, Villa_Stateside said: The club has no control over the station or the trains. I always puzzled why people think this is a easy fix. It’s the train operator and the council. The club are lucky to be in situation that development is happening already in Birmingham and the Euro bid. The club has taken advantage of this to push the council. Absolutely - what the club do have right now though is a really engaged council who are not just working with the club but have at times in this design process actually been encouraging the club to extend their thinking on the local area - the CWG legacy apartments and the chance to redevelop this area, along with their desire to do more with Witton Road gives us a really motivated council that are absolutely with the club on trying to make improvements around Villa Park - that in itself is very unusual, there's been a much more adversarial relationship between the council and previous boards. On transport, what will be interesting is the parking plan - which is to move a lot of the parking further away from Villa Park - with more park & ride and longer walking routes - so that more people will be parking a mile away from Villa Park and walking in, or parking at an office building in Sutton Coldfield and being bussed in or similar schemes - there are lots and lots of ideas being floated around on that. Even to the point where away coach parking for example will not be on Witton Road when the new stand is built - it's much more likely to be on a site past Tesco on Aston Lane, or on the Hub/Holford industrial estate - the club are really keen to move a lot of the matchday traffic further out from Villa Park so that the area around Villa Park is clearer after full time and that it then becomes easier for busses to pass through it. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 On 04/07/2022 at 19:09, bannedfromHandV said: That makes no sense at all. In an existing stand it makes perfect sense More people results in more doors, more fire exits, more toilets and more disabled access which the vast majority of buildings can't do, better infrastructure too and things like more parkinf spaces Future proofing the new stand to allow for 2:1 might make sense but the PL / FA have shown no willingness to go beyond 1:1 and it'll be hard to see them saying to villa, spurs, Liverpool yeah in your shiny new stands you can go 2:1 but the other 17 teams can't... That won't work There's also the problem that people have asked for safe standing on the basis that it improves atmosphere and is actually safer for people who stand all game anyway, they haven't asked for it on the basis of increasing capacity and making more money (because the answer would have been no) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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