Keener window-cleaner Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: I disagree with large parts of that letter. Why should we have clear communication channel? What other clubs have that? Didn’t th club announce that Chinese lady (her name escapes me at present) was running club at present? Because we are Aston Villa. Because we have supporters second to none who comes in great numbers to away games in the middle of the week in the Championship and who signs up for season ticets in record numbers despite rumours of the club risk going into administration. It's not just any random company or sports venture, it's a historic football club that wouldn't be much without it's loyal supporters. Any owner who doesn't understand this will run the same path as Xia and Lerner. Not communicating with the supporters is taking a big risk. As I have understood it she has taken Wyness place on the board, but not officially come in as CEO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 We are obviously in severe financial trouble. Everybody now agrees we overspent in transfers especially under RDM although at the time I don't remember anybody questioning this policy.Xia is taking the blame for this overspend and rightly so. But many people who are blaming Xia for this mismanagement were calling for Bruce to be sacked not long ago. How much money would have spent compensating Bruce and his coaches paying a release clause for a new manager new manager wages new players required etc.So not sacking Bruce would seem to be a good financial decision by Xia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgo Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 15 hours ago, DCJonah said: https://villaleaks.com/china-xia-publicly-rebuked/ Not sure how reliable. If it is, he continues to look like a liar and untrustworthy. Just a good experiment though. Poor Tony. This guy is very good, he was the one that uncovered Carson Yeung and his dodgy ways. He knows his stuff, will maybe report with a sub conscience bias, but the facts will be spot on. Still people think Xia is just struggling to get the cash from China and it will be ok when he does. It ISN'T coming guys!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgo Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 13 hours ago, WaccoeOnline said: Interesting article, though sad experience of dishonest and incompetent owners at Leeds suggests the wrong question is being asked. The article speculates as to what the censure might mean for Xia’s ability to access more investment from China. Reckon the bigger question is “if he would lie and falsify this sort of stuff in China, what might he be lying about and falsifying in relation to Aston Villa’s business affairs and financial situation, and how might that impact on the club if/when it comes out?” This guy is a Blues fan (the writer and uncovered Carson Yeung at Blues whilst others were saying all was ok) I like your posts, however I do think due to your own negative experiences, you're trying to make EVERYTHING identical to your own experiences at Leeds, when it might or it might NOT be. I appreciate your insights however so I'm not suggesting you don't post or anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted June 30, 2018 Visiting Supporter Share Posted June 30, 2018 If the rumours are correct concerning Xia then even if Villa had achieved promotion I do not think the investment in players would have been there to sustain Villa in the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgo Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 hour ago, mikeyp102 said: I disagree with large parts of that letter. Why should we have clear communication channel? What other clubs have that? Didn’t th club announce that Chinese lady (her name escapes me at present) was running club at present? First off that's the Trust's job, other Trusts have regular communication and we actually did (every few months) UNTIL it went tits up. So is it unreasonable to suggest the club tell fans what are going on? As for the club announcing anything, they haven't. The Chinese lady "Tracey Gu" was added as director in 2016 and just recently as a director in one of the other Ltd companies Xia has set up in the UK. She is based in Beijing and definitely not running the club day to day. I'd guess it would be Luke Organ and Ho (who is a PA) plus a guy who was sent over from China, but this is all rumour and speculation. If you're happy with that, fair one, however to criticise the Trust for asking questions is bemusing to me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, striker said: If the rumours are correct concerning Xia then even if Villa had achieved promotion I do not think the investment in players would have been there to sustain Villa in the Premiership. Pretty sure he'd have tried to sell us asap. On another note I don't see any scenario where he can or should remain as owner. Guy is clueless and by most accounts a fraud. Him selling a % and remaining in any sort of position at Villa will not do. Wouldn't even be that surprised if he ended up in jail further down the line. (not for Villa stuff mind) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgo Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 49 minutes ago, Keener window-cleaner said: Because we are Aston Villa. Because we have supporters second to none who comes in great numbers to away games in the middle of the week in the Championship and who signs up for season ticets in record numbers despite rumours of the club risk going into administration. It's not just any random company or sports venture, it's a historic football club that wouldn't be much without it's loyal supporters. Any owner who doesn't understand this will run the same path as Xia and Lerner. Not communicating with the supporters is taking a big risk. As I have understood it she has taken Wyness place on the board, but not officially come in as CEO. She hasn't taken his place on the board, she was already on the Villa board and a Director. She was just added as an extra director on one of the other LTD companies. She specialises in HR and ironically finance. Has been around since 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgo Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, striker said: If the rumours are correct concerning Xia then even if Villa had achieved promotion I do not think the investment in players would have been there to sustain Villa in the Premiership. It wouldn't have. To suggest all would of been ok had we have been promoted is very naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, TheEgo said: She hasn't taken his place on the board, she was already on the Villa board and a Director. She was just added as an extra director on one of the other LTD companies. She specialises in HR and ironically finance. Has been around since 2016 Doing an outstanding job then. Pushing employees towards the exit door and with no club finances left to worry herself about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 hour ago, TheEgo said: This guy is very good, he was the one that uncovered Carson Yeung and his dodgy ways. He knows his stuff, will maybe report with a sub conscience bias, but the facts will be spot on. Still people think Xia is just struggling to get the cash from China and it will be ok when he does. It ISN'T coming guys!! Which guys are you talking to here? I haven’t seen many, if any, people suggesting that everything will be okay WHEN Tony gets cash out of China. Likewise, your comment that ‘suggesting all would be okay had we achieved promotion is very naive’, who is this directed at? I’ve seen people, myself included, not buying into the notion that it’s a given that Tony would have further ruined us to a larger extent if we’d been promoted, because of the vast funds being due to us from the league, but that isn’t to suggest that ‘everything would be okay’. Everyone surely knows there would still be balancing of books to be done, and that Premier League survival wouldn’t be guaranteed. We’ve learnt that over many years of relegation scrapes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgo Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rob182 said: Which guys are you talking to here? I haven’t seen many, if any, people suggesting that everything will be okay WHEN Tony gets cash out of China. Likewise, your comment that ‘suggesting all would be okay had we achieved promotion is very naive’, who is this directed at? I’ve seen people, myself included, not buying into the notion that it’s a given that Tony would have further ruined us to a larger extent if we’d been promoted, because of the vast funds being due to us from the league, but that isn’t to suggest that ‘everything would be okay’. Everyone surely knows there would still be balancing of books to be done, and that Premier League survival wouldn’t be guaranteed. We’ve learnt that over many years of relegation scrapes. Mate I think you're being a tad sensitive and paranoid. The Villa fanbase stretches beyond Villatalk to the wider internet. Try Twitter for instance, many are of the view all is ok and it's all just 'pesky newspapers causing trouble' and had we of got promoted "All would of been ok" Relax a bit eh?! sun is shining, it's the weekend, it's not all about you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeVillan Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 hour ago, TheEgo said: It wouldn't have. To suggest all would of been ok had we have been promoted is very naive. Apart from the shit tonne of TV money and extra ticket sales etc? The play offs are called the richest competition in the world for a reason. (Least I think it's called that, don't kill me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted June 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 30, 2018 3 hours ago, John said: Oh for the days when FFP was our major worry. Now I suppose that would still prevent a new owner coming in and trying to fix things on and off the pitch as he might want to. Off the pitch he can do what he wants FFP wise, in terms of facilities etc. It's the playing side that's FFP's domain. A smart new owner could invest in both sides I'm guessing, there's been a few clubs show us the way on getting round the FFP. Xia's problem is he's **** broke so even if he did know how to disguise some playing side spend as something else etc. then he couldn't as we've apparently borrowed the only pot we could piss in and leveraged it against the club.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted June 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 minute ago, TreeVillan said: Apart from the shit tonne of TV money and extra ticket sales etc? The play offs are called the richest competition in the world for a reason. (Least I think it's called that, don't kill me) £200m+ over 3 years guaranteed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 30, 2018 Well Ho has said his farewells so matter of days now for tony I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgo Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 22 minutes ago, TreeVillan said: Apart from the shit tonne of TV money and extra ticket sales etc? The play offs are called the richest competition in the world for a reason. (Least I think it's called that, don't kill me) Yeah that's where the problem lies. He already blew and wasted cash and took us to the brink of Administration. Would have been on a much larger scale in the Premier League. Yes the current problems would have been kicked a little further down the road, but with his business/s failing in China, he would of took a fair slice too. i thank god we found out now (well some of us suspected we were in the shit and the FFP line was used as a deflector) as opposed to another year or so with even bigger losses ( i base this on past behavior, which is more accurate than trying to guess the future, would he all of a sudden made better choices??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 30, 2018 Moderator Share Posted June 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Jareth said: Well Ho has said his farewells so matter of days now for tony I imagine. Pardon me, I'm just in and catching up - what has Ho said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1984 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Just now, OutByEaster? said: Pardon me, I'm just in and catching up - what has Ho said? Nothing it was too cryptic to make a conclusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgo Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Jareth said: Well Ho has said his farewells so matter of days now for tony I imagine. 100% a goodbye of sorts. Deliberately in Chinese too. Could be longer than days sadly, although I do think we get a statement before Wednesday. A sale is in the works people, /i don't know who but it is happening...............shoot the messenger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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