Tony Xia (no longer involved with AVFC)

[sexbelowsound]

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Edited June 10, 2018 by sexbelowsound
iPhones are rubbish

[Vive_La_Villa]

20 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said:

I’m surprised that a Villa fan goes towards the negative end of conjecture when it comes to our players. 

IF both players want out then yes, of course we sell, but that would be highly convenient giving the financial situation we are in. 

How is that negative end of conjecture? If anything that would be a positive scenario in the fact we were in a financial position to keep the players but they understandably chose to leave so we got the best price for them. 

Next time think properly about who’s post is the negative end of conjecture before you reply.

edit: some fans are very naive to think players want to play in the Championhip and will miss out on big opportunities to enhance their careers to remain with Villa. Must be all that FM they play. Easy to forget we are dealing with humans at times. 

Edited June 10, 2018 by Vive_La_Villa

[Jareth]

6 hours ago, srsmithusa said:

In some final sense of course you are right the buck  (or the pound) always stops at the top.  But I wonder if Wyness might be the British knowledgeable “expert” that kept reassuring the Dr that Bruce was the promotion specialist who would pull it off if given backing..... and talked the Dr out of canning Bruce months ago and continuing to back him because of the (false) assurances that it was a sure thing with our strength of squad and manager.  Tony, being Chinese (wrongly) decided to trust those he hired with British football expertise.   Again, ultimately it’s on him, but I wonder how strongly he may have been pressured down the primrose path.   

He may be merely naive and snookered by people he assumed had greater expertise.   Or he could be a fraud and hustler and charlatain.   I think we’ll each assume whatever suits our biases best.  

That’s my read of it too. Tony came in giving it large with RDM and how much he and RDM shared in terms of view of football and business. RDM does poorly and Tony’s got to defer to the other way by Round and Wyness. He lost control at that point. 

[flashingqwerty]

8 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

We do know it was a possibility: it was issued. Had we done nothing, the club would be heading out of existence. That's how they work. 

had a winding up order been issied we would be out of business already as the issuing of such an order would mean it was too late.

all we know for sure is that a payment was missed.  HMRC doesnt issue a winding up order after 1 missed payment otherwise the vast majority of young business would fold.

[Vive_La_Villa]

19 minutes ago, flashingqwerty said:

had a winding up order been issied we would be out of business already as the issuing of such an order would mean it was too late.

all we know for sure is that a payment was missed.  HMRC doesnt issue a winding up order after 1 missed payment otherwise the vast majority of young business would fold.

I reckon the correspondence around the missed payment probably contains information of the consequences of not making payment. 

Media turn this in to threats of a winding order. 

[Jareth]

Press coverage of Villa at the moment, in a nut shell - 

Aston Villa face further turmoil and prospect of another £4.5m bill, It can be revealed that later this month the troubled Midlanders will be hit with another £4.5m bill – comprising tax and wages - which beleaguered owner Dr Tony Xia must pay or risk the threat of another winding-up order.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/09/aston-villa-face-turmoil-prospect-another-45m-bill/

 

Villa have staved off the imminent threat of administration but are still facing further turmoil 

the club’s financial worries are mounting

Bruce's future remains uncertain due to the club’s dire finances.

though some sources insist there is now enough cash to tide the club over

[John]

1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

What if both of these players want to leave? For Chester he is not going to have many more  chances to play at the highest level. 

For Grealish he needs to think of his future. 

If the price is right and both players want out surely we have to sell. No point in keeping unhappy players no matter how good they are. 

What if they don't? Given that, if they do both decide they want to go and we accept an offer I agree we seem to have little choice but to sell at the moment. We won't be happy bunnies if we do though. 

[briny_ear]

9 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I reckon the correspondence around the missed payment probably contains information of the consequences of not making payment. 

Media turn this in to threats of a winding order. 

Is this attempting to normalise the potential failure to pay our tax bill? (Nothing to see here, just a letter with some “information” about the consequences of not paying!)

Call it a threat, call it a promise, call it “information”, it amounts to the same thing - we were at risk of non-payment and that is shambolic.

[deadlydion]

The letter would have read ‘failure to make this or any other payment (including penalties and interest for late payment) becoming due within 21 days will result in HMRC seeking a winding up petition for ......    A winding up order is only issued after a winding up petition has been heard and ruled on. We were several weeks away from that and in theory it is likely that the club will have received several of these type of letters from numerous suppliers (granted it would probably be from smaller, less newsworthy companies) over the years as large organisations are typically awful at paying invoices on time to small and medium enterprises.   Whilst all of this is undoubtedly a concern, what it does show is that cash flow is the biggest issue and in a perverse way does underline that the Dr’s plans to rejuvenate the area and make the club a year round income generating machine is actually the correct business decision and one that indicates a strategy to move the entire club (not just the first team) forward.  I amnot saying he is currently doing that (although he might be). I am just expressing an opinion supported by SOME facts. 

[Villan4Life]

2 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Who do you think we should try and sign this summer on the cheap?

Villa aside any good players to look out for in the World Cup? 

You seem like you know your stuff. Are there any other threads we can talk players on? 

Depends how much we want to spend mate!!

I mean if Jack did go (no one want hims too) Oztumer on a free would have been a good option if it didnt work out we could have easily flogged him for a mil or two!

 

Goalkeeper i would obviously look at Dean Henderson, but i'll show you Walsall video in min or a gem i spotted Liam Roberts he is a **** excllent shotstopper he is only 6ft but makes up for it in other areas and is only 23. Also Lee Burge of Coventry is improving all the time he is a solid keeper.. Made a lot of mistakes a few years back but everytime i saw him last season he was solid in 5 games.

 

I'd take Kory Roberts from Walsall too, he wouldn't a starter but he has good potential and could improve a lot was very impressed with him in games i saw then he got dropped which did nothing for his confidence

Interestingly Walsall have signed Andy Cook from Tranmere a player i put through to the club with Ollie Banks in Dec when went watch them vs Solihull Moors. St Mirren tried for both players but they chose Walsall and Tranmere. Cook is 27 and could well do a Danny Newton next season or even climb leagues like Vardy!! i don't think Cook will make it to Prem but could be a decent forward in Championship he scores goals for fun and Manager Dean Keates said he remind him of Lee Trundle.

 

I would take Jordan Shipley, Tom Bayliss and Jordan Ponticelli all from Coventry. Coventry have about 7 kids in first team these days and about another 15 breaking through. Hence why Leicester nicked George Thomas for a low fee and Everton took Bassala Sambou for a few hundred thousand in last two years.. Because of Sisou princes was dirt cheap but with them winning promotion expect them to want about 3mil for Bayliss, 2,5 for Shipley and 1.5 for Ponticelli.

 

I'm looking forward to watching Coventry again next season due to all these brilliant prospects they have which they only started to bring through after the Lee Hughes era blowing £5mil on that idiot it's certainly reaping its rewards

 

I would also take Jodi Jones from Coventry who started season on fire but been injured since about October, he is like a faster Tony Daley but is left footed and plays on right wing and likes cut inside and turn defenders inside out. his crossing is good and very much Ashley Young style when he was with us with ball at his feet.

Mohamed Eisa of Cheltenham could be a good bargain for Championship sides, Jack Payne (Blackburn has 11 assists in 18 games since arriving from Southend) Tariqe Fosu of Charlton is a good young player when i saw them live.Ryan Tafazolli impressed me when Peterborough beat us in cup, 6ft 5 and would be a good defender bring in.

 

A good striker i saw at Jamie Vardy V9 is Gethyn Hill (who's just left Weston Super Mare) he had good potential he scored twice yesterday was leagues better than any other player and scored a lot for Weston last season he is only 23 and could easily rise through divisions he will get signed by a league club, trying get him into St Mirren but will have better offers. A low punt on him could work well with better coaching (he's better than Jordan Bowery and actually knows where the net is lol)

 

many other players mate i feel could do a job for us instead of  spunking 15mil on McCormack i knew he would work out as he has angered all the fans and staff at Rangers, Cardiff, Leeds, Fulham and now us... we are taught on scouting qual NOT to go for players like this so what do Tony/Keith and the others do they pay him 50k a week and give him a mega contract when he is a known trouble maker.

 

I just Villa learn their lessons with no money now, it;s not what you pay for players or wages it'g applying common sense and fitting the team together like  a jigsaw puzzle and avoiding players like McCormack is in 4 corner model (he only hits 1 of the 5 targets based on his past so why do it) when we can get players in that hit all 5 for a small fee with scope to improve.

Funny how Fulham took the £15mil for McCormack and built a great attacking team using that money with modest fees and wages spent on players whilst we went gung ho with no real focus apart from look everyone we paid £15mil

 

I just things change this season but i doubt it as if we keep Bruce he will try and sign more 33/34 year olds like Whelan and waste a couple of million on him when we can be clever by going for some of the talented, hard working kids i mentioned above

 

Anyway watch all Roberts saves here for Walsall at game i went to in January.. He made about 6 or 7 world class saves not all was shown in this video but check it out, the kid is quality

 

 

 

[HanoiVillan]

1 hour ago, flashingqwerty said:

had a winding up order been issied we would be out of business already as the issuing of such an order would mean it was too late.

all we know for sure is that a payment was missed.  HMRC doesnt issue a winding up order after 1 missed payment otherwise the vast majority of young business would fold.

My understanding of the document, which is helpfully clarified by @deadlydion above, is that it amounts to a kind of 'absolutely final warning'. 

I remember living in a student house a few years ago, where we were notoriously terrible at opening post, and we had a big pile of it behind the door. One day a letter arrived on the pile, and there was no mistaking, from the red capital letters all over it, that this one was important in a way that others weren't. Upon opening, it told me that we had missed a council tax payment or two and that the bailiffs had been informed and would be around to the house shortly to recover whatever of value they could find. 

The following day I scooted along to the council offices, made a payment for a part of what we owed, and we never saw a bailiff. Something roughly analogous happened to Villa - the letter received wasn't the end of the business, but it was a necessary step towards ending the business if immediate steps weren't taken to remedy the situation. Villa notably sat down with HMRC within 24 or 48 hours to work out a deal to pay at least part of the missing tax. 

[Vive_La_Villa]

2 hours ago, briny_ear said:

Is this attempting to normalise the potential failure to pay our tax bill? (Nothing to see here, just a letter with some “information” about the consequences of not paying!)

Call it a threat, call it a promise, call it “information”, it amounts to the same thing - we were at risk of non-payment and that is shambolic.

It is shambolic. I admit I’m clutching. 

[DCJonah]

3 hours ago, Jareth said:

That’s my read of it too. Tony came in giving it large with RDM and how much he and RDM shared in terms of view of football and business. RDM does poorly and Tony’s got to defer to the other way by Round and Wyness. He lost control at that point. 

I know this might seem like round 2 but...

You believe that a self made billionnaire, gives up his vision after just 11 games. And not only that but loses control to people who he employs. 

And you believe this and still defend him?

If there was any truth in your theory it would show an alarming amount of weakness and decision making and would be worthy of all concerns and criticism put towards him 

[WaccoeOnline]

14 minutes ago, DCJonah said:

I know this might seem like round 2 but...

You believe that a self made billionnaire, gives up his vision after just 11 games. And not only that but loses control to people who he employs. 

And you believe this and still defend him?

If there was any truth in your theory it would show an alarming amount of weakness and decision making and would be worthy of all concerns and criticism put towards him 

Leeds' fan base were split in two during the reign of the most lunatic of our recent owners.  So many idiots believed the myth that Massimo Cellino was "a billionaire" that they couldn't imagine him doing anything wrong by the club and they reacted violently against those of us who saw from the outset that he was a fake and a fraud, with at best a few million to his name.  The worst of the Cellino defenders even set up their own "organisation" IMWT (In Massimo We Trust) which took the lunatic at his word and harassed and threatened those who questioned some of what was going on.  Our forum - Waccoe - was probably the only place properly safe from the quislings and collaborators who went above and beyond in sustaining belief in the fake wealth and capability of a bloke who was out of his depth and - very quickly - running the club even further into the ground than we were when he arrived on the scene.  

Cant believe there are still folk on your forum pushing the idea that Xia has billions, when what evidence there is out there suggests he has a few businesses that aren't particularly successful and that he might not himself fully control.  It seems laughable looking from the outside that Xia will deliver you anything but more misery, or that - when he sells - his intent will be anything other than minimising losses to himself, regardless of the impact on your club.

Edited June 10, 2018 by WaccoeOnline

[Keener window-cleaner]

2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

I remember living in a student house a few years ago, where we were notoriously terrible at opening post, and we had a big pile of it behind the door.

Ok, you are also off the list of new CEO:s.

[Villa Stu]

2 hours ago, Villan4Life said:

Depends how much we want to spend mate!!

I mean if Jack did go (no one want hims too) Oztumer on a free would have been a good option if it didnt work out we could have easily flogged him for a mil or two!

 

Goalkeeper i would obviously look at Dean Henderson, but i'll show you Walsall video in min or a gem i spotted Liam Roberts he is a **** excllent shotstopper he is only 6ft but makes up for it in other areas and is only 23. Also Lee Burge of Coventry is improving all the time he is a solid keeper.. Made a lot of mistakes a few years back but everytime i saw him last season he was solid in 5 games.

 

I'd take Kory Roberts from Walsall too, he wouldn't a starter but he has good potential and could improve a lot was very impressed with him in games i saw then he got dropped which did nothing for his confidence

Interestingly Walsall have signed Andy Cook from Tranmere a player i put through to the club with Ollie Banks in Dec when went watch them vs Solihull Moors. St Mirren tried for both players but they chose Walsall and Tranmere. Cook is 27 and could well do a Danny Newton next season or even climb leagues like Vardy!! i don't think Cook will make it to Prem but could be a decent forward in Championship he scores goals for fun and Manager Dean Keates said he remind him of Lee Trundle.

 

I would take Jordan Shipley, Tom Bayliss and Jordan Ponticelli all from Coventry. Coventry have about 7 kids in first team these days and about another 15 breaking through. Hence why Leicester nicked George Thomas for a low fee and Everton took Bassala Sambou for a few hundred thousand in last two years.. Because of Sisou princes was dirt cheap but with them winning promotion expect them to want about 3mil for Bayliss, 2,5 for Shipley and 1.5 for Ponticelli.

 

I'm looking forward to watching Coventry again next season due to all these brilliant prospects they have which they only started to bring through after the Lee Hughes era blowing £5mil on that idiot it's certainly reaping its rewards

 

I would also take Jodi Jones from Coventry who started season on fire but been injured since about October, he is like a faster Tony Daley but is left footed and plays on right wing and likes cut inside and turn defenders inside out. his crossing is good and very much Ashley Young style when he was with us with ball at his feet.

Mohamed Eisa of Cheltenham could be a good bargain for Championship sides, Jack Payne (Blackburn has 11 assists in 18 games since arriving from Southend) Tariqe Fosu of Charlton is a good young player when i saw them live.Ryan Tafazolli impressed me when Peterborough beat us in cup, 6ft 5 and would be a good defender bring in.

 

A good striker i saw at Jamie Vardy V9 is Gethyn Hill (who's just left Weston Super Mare) he had good potential he scored twice yesterday was leagues better than any other player and scored a lot for Weston last season he is only 23 and could easily rise through divisions he will get signed by a league club, trying get him into St Mirren but will have better offers. A low punt on him could work well with better coaching (he's better than Jordan Bowery and actually knows where the net is lol)

 

many other players mate i feel could do a job for us instead of  spunking 15mil on McCormack i knew he would work out as he has angered all the fans and staff at Rangers, Cardiff, Leeds, Fulham and now us... we are taught on scouting qual NOT to go for players like this so what do Tony/Keith and the others do they pay him 50k a week and give him a mega contract when he is a known trouble maker.

 

I just Villa learn their lessons with no money now, it;s not what you pay for players or wages it'g applying common sense and fitting the team together like  a jigsaw puzzle and avoiding players like McCormack is in 4 corner model (he only hits 1 of the 5 targets based on his past so why do it) when we can get players in that hit all 5 for a small fee with scope to improve.

Funny how Fulham took the £15mil for McCormack and built a great attacking team using that money with modest fees and wages spent on players whilst we went gung ho with no real focus apart from look everyone we paid £15mil

 

I just things change this season but i doubt it as if we keep Bruce he will try and sign more 33/34 year olds like Whelan and waste a couple of million on him when we can be clever by going for some of the talented, hard working kids i mentioned above

 

Anyway watch all Roberts saves here for Walsall at game i went to in January.. He made about 6 or 7 world class saves not all was shown in this video but check it out, the kid is quality

 

 

 

If worse comes to the worst and we lose Jack, is there anyone of the above you think could step up? Obviously I’m not expecting them to come in and be as good as Jack, but just someone that could come in and add that creative spark in the middle of the pitch. 

[Kuwabatake Sanjuro]

2 hours ago, Villan4Life said:

Depends how much we want to spend mate!!

I mean if Jack did go (no one want hims too) Oztumer on a free would have been a good option if it didnt work out we could have easily flogged him for a mil or two!

 

Goalkeeper i would obviously look at Dean Henderson, but i'll show you Walsall video in min or a gem i spotted Liam Roberts he is a **** excllent shotstopper he is only 6ft but makes up for it in other areas and is only 23. Also Lee Burge of Coventry is improving all the time he is a solid keeper.. Made a lot of mistakes a few years back but everytime i saw him last season he was solid in 5 games.

 

I'd take Kory Roberts from Walsall too, he wouldn't a starter but he has good potential and could improve a lot was very impressed with him in games i saw then he got dropped which did nothing for his confidence

Interestingly Walsall have signed Andy Cook from Tranmere a player i put through to the club with Ollie Banks in Dec when went watch them vs Solihull Moors. St Mirren tried for both players but they chose Walsall and Tranmere. Cook is 27 and could well do a Danny Newton next season or even climb leagues like Vardy!! i don't think Cook will make it to Prem but could be a decent forward in Championship he scores goals for fun and Manager Dean Keates said he remind him of Lee Trundle.

 

I would take Jordan Shipley, Tom Bayliss and Jordan Ponticelli all from Coventry. Coventry have about 7 kids in first team these days and about another 15 breaking through. Hence why Leicester nicked George Thomas for a low fee and Everton took Bassala Sambou for a few hundred thousand in last two years.. Because of Sisou princes was dirt cheap but with them winning promotion expect them to want about 3mil for Bayliss, 2,5 for Shipley and 1.5 for Ponticelli.

 

I'm looking forward to watching Coventry again next season due to all these brilliant prospects they have which they only started to bring through after the Lee Hughes era blowing £5mil on that idiot it's certainly reaping its rewards

 

I would also take Jodi Jones from Coventry who started season on fire but been injured since about October, he is like a faster Tony Daley but is left footed and plays on right wing and likes cut inside and turn defenders inside out. his crossing is good and very much Ashley Young style when he was with us with ball at his feet.

Mohamed Eisa of Cheltenham could be a good bargain for Championship sides, Jack Payne (Blackburn has 11 assists in 18 games since arriving from Southend) Tariqe Fosu of Charlton is a good young player when i saw them live.Ryan Tafazolli impressed me when Peterborough beat us in cup, 6ft 5 and would be a good defender bring in.

 

A good striker i saw at Jamie Vardy V9 is Gethyn Hill (who's just left Weston Super Mare) he had good potential he scored twice yesterday was leagues better than any other player and scored a lot for Weston last season he is only 23 and could easily rise through divisions he will get signed by a league club, trying get him into St Mirren but will have better offers. A low punt on him could work well with better coaching (he's better than Jordan Bowery and actually knows where the net is lol)

 

many other players mate i feel could do a job for us instead of  spunking 15mil on McCormack i knew he would work out as he has angered all the fans and staff at Rangers, Cardiff, Leeds, Fulham and now us... we are taught on scouting qual NOT to go for players like this so what do Tony/Keith and the others do they pay him 50k a week and give him a mega contract when he is a known trouble maker.

 

I just Villa learn their lessons with no money now, it;s not what you pay for players or wages it'g applying common sense and fitting the team together like  a jigsaw puzzle and avoiding players like McCormack is in 4 corner model (he only hits 1 of the 5 targets based on his past so why do it) when we can get players in that hit all 5 for a small fee with scope to improve.

Funny how Fulham took the £15mil for McCormack and built a great attacking team using that money with modest fees and wages spent on players whilst we went gung ho with no real focus apart from look everyone we paid £15mil

 

I just things change this season but i doubt it as if we keep Bruce he will try and sign more 33/34 year olds like Whelan and waste a couple of million on him when we can be clever by going for some of the talented, hard working kids i mentioned above

 

Anyway watch all Roberts saves here for Walsall at game i went to in January.. He made about 6 or 7 world class saves not all was shown in this video but check it out, the kid is quality

 

 

 

Do you ever look at League of Ireland football and what do you make of Preston's strategy of pillaging players for peanuts from there?

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

4 hours ago, Jareth said:

Press coverage of Villa at the moment, in a nut shell - 

Aston Villa face further turmoil and prospect of another £4.5m bill, It can be revealed that later this month the troubled Midlanders will be hit with another £4.5m bill – comprising tax and wages - which beleaguered owner Dr Tony Xia must pay or risk the threat of another winding-up order.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/09/aston-villa-face-turmoil-prospect-another-45m-bill/

 

Villa have staved off the imminent threat of administration but are still facing further turmoil 

the club’s financial worries are mounting

Bruce's future remains uncertain due to the club’s dire finances.

though some sources insist there is now enough cash to tide the club over

If they could put the positive parts in even finer print or omit them altogether they would.

[Jareth]

1 hour ago, DCJonah said:

I know this might seem like round 2 but...

You believe that a self made billionnaire, gives up his vision after just 11 games. And not only that but loses control to people who he employs. 

And you believe this and still defend him?

If there was any truth in your theory it would show an alarming amount of weakness and decision making and would be worthy of all concerns and criticism put towards him 

No offence taken - I meant pyschologically Tony was forced to admit he got it wrong with RDM and by going for Bruce (Round's recommendation) the direction thereafter was chosen by Round and probably Wyness. Tony let that run its course and here we are. Had he not ceded to Round, he may have made an even more spectacularly bad choice, nonetheless will be interesting to see what his next move is - more Bruce or something new. 

[Jareth]

58 minutes ago, WaccoeOnline said:

Cant believe there are still folk on your forum pushing the idea that Xia has billions, when what evidence there is out there suggests he has a few businesses that aren't particularly successful and that he might not himself fully control.  It seems laughable looking from the outside that Xia will deliver you anything but more misery, or that - when he sells - his intent will be anything other than minimising losses to himself, regardless of the impact on your club.

With every respect, nobody is claiming Tony has billions, nobody has made that claim nor defends it to the hilt. This has more become a debate over what we 'think' will happen next, when the truth is revealed. That said I have just registered the domain InTonyWeTrust.com.