Genie Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I'd have taken Carroll purely for a "plan b", we've seen Fellaini get Utd out of jail a few times like that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Probably worth comparing to other squads....here's France: FRANCE Goalkeepers: Benoit Costil (Rennes), Hugo Lloris (Tottenham), Steve Mandanda (Marseille). Defenders: Lucas Digne (Roma), Patrice Evra (Juventus), Christophe Jallet (Lyon), Laurent Koscielny (Arsenal), Eliaquim Mangala (Manchester City), Jeremy Mathieu (Barcelona), Bacary Sagna (Manchester City), Raphael Varane (Real Madrid). Midfielders: Yohan Cabaye (Crystal Palace), Lassana Diarra (Marseille), N'Golo Kante (Leicester), Blaise Matuidi (Paris Saint-Germain), Paul Pogba (Juventus), Moussa Sissoko (Newcastle). Forwards: Kingsley Coman (Bayern Munich), Andre-Pierre Gignac (Tigres), Olivier Giroud (Arsenal), Antoine Griezmann (Atletico Madrid), Anthony Martial (Manchester United), Dimitri Payet (West Ham). They have the best under 25 generation at the tournament but also Gignac. Can't get over he's been picked ahead of Lacezette, he plays in Mexico ffs. Giroud we all know is average against good defences and he's likely to be starting striker with Greizmann and one of Coman/Martial either side of him. Can't say their defence looks up to much....Evra and Sagna are well in their 30s, Mangala we know is a car crash, Kos is good but not as the leader of the defence (similar to Cahill), Matthieu hardly gets a game for Barca, been unlucky with injuries there but is it really much better at the back than England? There are the defenders Belgium have picked (the rest of the team is very very good). Defenders: Toby Alderweireld (Tottenham), Dedryck Boyata (Celtic), Jason Denayer (Galatasaray), Bjorn Engels (Club Bruges), Nicolas Lombaerts (Zenit), Jordan Lukaku (Oostende), Thomas Meunier (Club Bruges), Thomas Vermaelen (Barcelona), Jan Vertonghen (Tottenham). Boyata is shite, never heard of Engles, Denayer is potentially good but only plays in Turkey, dunno if baby Lukaku is any good but plays in Belgium as does Meunier which is obviously not a high level of club football and Vermaelan is constantly injured. So bad Toby and Vertonghen may have to play at FB, that has been rumoured from some Belgium fans on their forums. And these are two of the favourites to win the competition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Is no top class defenders in football at the moment, people say Hummels is best in Europe but he looks crap everytime I see him play. Except the Juventus/Italian connection is not many other great defenders or defences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Atletico seem to have a few. Is Juanfran in the Spanish squad? He's a player i really admire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 12 hours ago, Zatman said: Is no top class defenders in football at the moment, people say Hummels is best in Europe but he looks crap everytime I see him play. Except the Juventus/Italian connection is not many other great defenders or defences agree but at the same time in a rant of how stones is overrated i listed several youngsters across europe at the moment and there is a decent crop, varane was top of it but im not sure how being a part time footballer over the last 2 years has impacted him, then you've got laporte, marquinhos, jedvaj, gimenez, tah, sule plus then other potentials like baumgartl, christensen, zouma, mammana, riedewald, left back you've got gaya at valencia who should be something special, right back maybe tete at ajax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaulC Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) edit Edited May 17, 2016 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 17 hours ago, Genie said: I'd have taken Carroll purely for a "plan b", we've seen Fellaini get Utd out of jail a few times like that. Yep, Carroll over Rooney easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 13 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Yep, Carroll over Rooney easily. Andy Carroll is never going to be picked ahead of the England captain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, One For The Road said: Andy Carroll is never going to be picked ahead of the England captain. The England captain who hasn't delivered at a tournament for 12 years? Well he should be picked over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: The England captain who hasn't delivered at a tournament for 12 years? Well he should be picked over him. I can't stand Rooney myself. Just saying that there's no way it would ever happen. Not under Hodgson anyway. Delph over Noble is another shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 What exactly has Andy Carroll done to deserve a call up? This plan b stuff, every time I watch him and hear play him for England, play it up to him, good old fashioned England striker, no one else plays like it... That's exactly the thing, nobody plays like it, football has moved on, he'd be a walking free kick, the idea that Carroll could play up top and rough up a couple of centre backs that simply doesn't exist anymore Then you add in the issue that we as a team don't play like that anymore, you could argue that there are only 2 wingers in that team, sterling and Townsend and Townsend might not go and sterling doesn't really play that wide anyway, he'd be a waste of a shirt Rooneys biggest problem isn't his ability or experience at playing at that level it's his role within the team, if Roy gets it right then we will have a good team, if he shoe horns him in then we won't, I maintain that if he starts with Rooney and sterling then he's royally **** it up, there's only room for one of them and that's only just too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 probably first time im actually excited about watching england in tourny. Really hated all the previous sqauds. we will probably do shit as always but will be nice to see something different 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, villa4europe said: What exactly has Andy Carroll done to deserve a call up? This plan b stuff, every time I watch him and hear play him for England, play it up to him, good old fashioned England striker, no one else plays like it... That's exactly the thing, nobody plays like it, football has moved on, he'd be a walking free kick, the idea that Carroll could play up top and rough up a couple of centre backs that simply doesn't exist anymore Then you add in the issue that we as a team don't play like that anymore, you could argue that there are only 2 wingers in that team, sterling and Townsend and Townsend might not go and sterling doesn't really play that wide anyway, he'd be a waste of a shirt Rooneys biggest problem isn't his ability or experience at playing at that level it's his role within the team, if Roy gets it right then we will have a good team, if he shoe horns him in then we won't, I maintain that if he starts with Rooney and sterling then he's royally **** it up, there's only room for one of them and that's only just too Howay Man!!! Get it in the **** mixer!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Vardy RWF hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: What exactly has Andy Carroll done to deserve a call up? This plan b stuff, every time I watch him and hear play him for England, play it up to him, good old fashioned England striker, no one else plays like it... That's exactly the thing, nobody plays like it, football has moved on, he'd be a walking free kick, the idea that Carroll could play up top and rough up a couple of centre backs that simply doesn't exist anymore Then you add in the issue that we as a team don't play like that anymore, you could argue that there are only 2 wingers in that team, sterling and Townsend and Townsend might not go and sterling doesn't really play that wide anyway, he'd be a waste of a shirt Rooneys biggest problem isn't his ability or experience at playing at that level it's his role within the team, if Roy gets it right then we will have a good team, if he shoe horns him in then we won't, I maintain that if he starts with Rooney and sterling then he's royally **** it up, there's only room for one of them and that's only just too Disagree on Carroll when fit he has been fantastic for West Ham in my opinion, I think his hold up play and the way he brings the rest in to play is very good. Hes faster than he looks and his passing and shooting is good and the way he attacks a header is fantastic. He is able "mix it" but I dont see that being put as a negative to Lewandowski, Zlatan or Suarez not that Im saying hes anywhere near them. However Vardy and Kane are sure fire in the squad. I think its more the point of why bring in Rashford when your not going to pick him (or shouldnt) over some one who you might in Carroll or Defoe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 1 hour ago, YGabbana said: Vardy RWF hmmm Actually really like that team...if it all clicks Vardy, Kane and Sturridge interchanging positions would be a nightmare for defences and you also have Ali making late runs into the box, make it happen Woy. Would take out Henderson and move Dier back to DM but like that selection a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Unless you have a front 3 that stay a front 3 like Barcelona you're not utilising Sturridge and Vardy in the right way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) I don't know why it's fashionable to hate Rooney and think he's not even good enough for the squad now. Anyway. I'd probably start against Russia with: Hart Walker Smalling Cahill Rose Dier Drinkwater Alli Rooney Vardy Kane What's good is that the formation can switch pretty seamlessly with subs - Sturridge can replace Rooney for a fast, attacking 4-3-3, Wilshire can come in for Drinkwater or Dier, Vardy out for Henderson and go 4-2-3-1. I think it's important to have the form players in though - and club combinations like Drinkwater/Vardy and Rose//Dier/Alli/Kane where they are all on the same wavelength. I think Rooney is probably the best player to facilitate that chemistry and why I'd start him now. Edited May 17, 2016 by a m ole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V01 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 You had me until Wilshere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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