cyrusr Posted October 1, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: I'm not so sure, I don't think they are even written down yet so they can't be leaked (I would do that to be honest as well in their position). They are just leaking old stuff on purpose so they can (in their heads) have a big jump out the cake moment just before whatever deadline. To be fair, I think @chrisp65 has hit the nail on the head. What this government has shown in its very short existence is that it doesn't know its a*** from its elbow. Its just going to be punting stuff out until something sticks and declare that was its plan all along. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mic09 said: I think that if Boris brought together a plan that granted the UK half of France, free unlimited Chinese rice and a German saloon car to every UK citizen over the age of 18 he would still be laughed out of the room. He cannot win at this point, the ship has sailed. I think that’s exactly why they are laughed out of the room. They keep on promising unicorns for everyone in new exciting colours. They are trying to turn a cultural and political problem in to a purely trade issue. What they appear incapable of understanding, is people couldn’t give a shit about the rate of tax on the contents of a lorry. It’s the stopping of the lorry, that’s got people heated or worried (rightly or wrongly). We got used to not having border guards, either on the border, or behind the bushes in a DMZ. But not only that, they’re also under the impression it’s a trade issue where we have the overwhelming strong hand. I’m fairly confident that a significant number of these Brexiteers genuinely believe their own hype, that the EU will be cut off without us. If they stopped promising us everything will be better and trade will flourish and we will have better german cars and better French holidays and have all the cakes and eat all the cakes and stay thin. If they stopped doing that, and told it straight. I think people would accept it far more easily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Brexit means brexit is all they need to say to appease a large number of people apparently. Whilst this lowest common denominator continues to rule over simple sense, we’re in the shit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, cyrusr said: Its just going to be punting stuff out until something sticks and declare that was its plan all along. Also known as the "Melchett Maneuver" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: We could call it the Nolan Heights. I'm in the mood for fencing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 39 minutes ago, Mic09 said: I think that if Boris brought together a plan that granted the UK half of France, free unlimited Chinese rice and a German saloon car to every UK citizen over the age of 18 he would still be laughed out of the room. He cannot win at this point, the ship has sailed. On the contrary, he has the vast majority of the nation's political media behind him, and if he could come up with anything that even looked a bit like a win, his cheerleaders would be shouting about it. It's a sign of how impossible it is to escape the red lines and contradictions of the Tory position that he hasn't even achieved that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 The idea that the Irish backstop is the only problem that Johnson needs a solution for is ludicrous. The whole Brexit concept is disastrous in its entirety. We’re still going to see our economy struggle to cope with unnecessary trade barriers. An open border in Ireland and 10 hour delays at Dover is no solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowychap Posted October 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2019 11 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: In other words, a kind of DMZ? Later in the thread in which that border pic (above) appeared, it was referred to as an RMZ - remilitarised zone. And: 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 loving the population maths on that map 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I like 'Narnia', that's very good Can't help but notice that the map there covers a very large part of the constituencies held by Sinn Fein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted October 1, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 1, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 What a pain in the arse this is 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Political ideas to match his style of football. Rough, aggressive, and stuck in the dark ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 And the official Polish website is super out of date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, avfcDJ said: Political ideas to match his style of football. Rough, aggressive, and stuck in the dark ages. Blimey. His entire page is just retweets of Leave talking heads and shite aimed at 'remainers'. Proper gone off in the dead end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Sorry to spam but it just hit me we leave in less tha a month. Shitting it The law says we have to ask for an extension if no deal but I don't trust at all. Sad state of affairs that we cant trust the PM to follow the law anymore. I hope this is all worth it brexiteers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, avfcDJ said: Political ideas to match his style of football. Rough, aggressive, and stuck in the dark ages. Was always a word removed on the pitch, clearly a word removed off the pitch too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Sorry to spam but it just hit me we leave in less tha a month. Shitting it The law says we have to ask for an extension if no deal but I don't trust at all. Sad state of affairs that we cant trust the PM to follow the law anymore. I hope this is all worth it brexiteers. It's **** bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 23 hours ago, Chindie said: Ireland's constitution demands a referendum for significant legislation changes. They originally rejected the Lisbon treaty over concerns with some of its provisions. Those concerns were addressed, it went back to the people, they agreed with it, it passed. Of course if you're a 'Eurosceptic' (snigger), this actually meant that the EU didn't like lil' ole Ireland saying no to it so forced them to do it again until they came back with the right answer. Which is bollocks. Obviously our Irish posters can elaborate on that but that's the gist of it. It's a little different to the Brexit situation. A second Brexit ref would be more confirmatory in light of more information, than seeking approval for an amended legislation. Yep, that's the gist. Small addendum: the constitution demands a referendum for any constitutional changes. Because we enshrined the EEC Treaty into the constitution back in the day, it means any new EU treaty requires Irish voters' consent. Clever move, eh? So yes, the idea that the EU forced Ireland to vote again is absolute nonsense. If anything we used our "referendum card" to extract concessions from the EU on Lisbon. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Sorry to spam but it just hit me we leave in less tha a month. Shitting it The law says we have to ask for an extension if no deal but I don't trust at all. Sad state of affairs that we cant trust the PM to follow the law anymore. I hope this is all worth it brexiteers. I can't see us leaving this month... it'll carry on like this for the foreseeable IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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