StefanAVFC Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Odd post. If people didn't act so smug and weirdly, happy if they're 'proved right' then it wouldn't be said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: If people didn't act so smug and weirdly, happy if they're 'proved right' then it wouldn't be said. Ignore it mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 We've conceded 12 goals in 7 matches under Garde. That is a 1.71 goal conceded ratio with Garde in charge. Under Sherwood we conceded 16 goals in 10 matches. That is a 1.6 goal conceded ratio. We were actually better defensively under Sherwood. We've scored 5 goals under Garde in 7 matches. We scored 9 goals under Sherwood in 12 matches. There has been no progress so far. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Field Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 3 minutes ago, Czechlad said: We've conceded 12 goals in 7 matches under Garde. That is a 1.71 goal conceded ratio with Garde in charge. Under Sherwood we conceded 16 goals in 10 matches. That is a 1.6 goal conceded ratio. We were actually better defensively under Sherwood. We've scored 5 goals under Garde in 7 matches. We scored 9 goals under Sherwood in 12 matches. There has been no progress so far. Maybe that is because we have a shit team that Sherwood helped build ? you can't expect a manager to come in to a shit team and suddenly turn them in to professionals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 We got 4 points in 12 matches under Sherwood,we have 4 points under Garde, that's progress surely? Not to mention the improvement of players such as Ayew and Veretout. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I'm just posting some stats. We need to get better defensively, but at the same time we aren't scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 15 minutes ago, VillaChris said: That's a really good point Mark. Remi's the sort of manager we needed if say we'd be in a similar position to when we potted Lambert e.g; a point or two off escaping the bottom 3. As you saw with McLeish you can stay up drawing a shed load of games and winning the odd one. We are just so far adrift though, eventually he'll have to do something random like go 4-4-2 or start 4 attacking players or something, we have to win some games soon. I have no problem with the effort the team are showing under him but sadly the quality Ayew and maybe now Veretout aside, simply isn't there. We played 4-4-2 today with a diamond in midfield and Ayew floating. Agree with the rest though. Although a little disappointed at the result I felt with a bit more luck we would have won comfortably today. I also felt with Sanchez going of we looked weak in the centre again for a good 15mins and were back to individual stupidity, Hutton's closing down for the goal for a start. I also felt this was probably the reason he held back with the Adama sub so long as taking another one off out of Veretout,Westwood or Gana would leave us more exposed centrally and we were also in the ascendency. Players were shooting, fighting for the ball and each other and in turn got the fans going which created an excellent atmosphere second half. All in all not the best result but positives again...Okore and Lescott are playing well together, which as needs must probably opens Richards up to coming back in as our RB, Ayew is getting better as is Veretout, Guzan has stopped making silly errors-at least for now. Westwood looked better again today as did Gana as the game wore on. IMO we need more pace up front in January to compliment Ayew. Gestede although an aerial threat just isn't quick enough to stretch teams and open gaps in the defence for the like of Gil and Veretout to expose. A midfield hardman and the LB situation remedied with Cissokho to come back which will give us more natural width down the left. All in all I am happy with what Remi is doing and trust him to continue doing what he feels is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted December 26, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 26, 2015 Ditching Gabby and Nzogbia, dropping Grealish, getting performances from Veretout and Ayew - this is all progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure the stat comparisons mean all that much at this stage really. For example, when Garde took over the team were already at rock-bottom confidence-wise. Edited December 26, 2015 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Bottom line is that we need wins and we're not getting them under Garde. He's not delivering what we need most, plus he didn't deliver what we really needed as soon as we appointed him, an instant impact. He has also had his share of winnable games, now some can make all the excuses in the world, but Watford, Newcastle and today against West Ham were all very much winnable in my book. Plus the Southampton game represented a massive opportunity, since they were on a very poor run, and were awful against us. The is also a very concerning trend under Garde that we only play well when we are losing. Most of the time we start games lacking aggression and ambition, it's only when we're a goal down that we become more tenacious and show genuine desire (and a tiny bit of quality) going forward. When our best stuff is invariably being played from losing positions, I'm sorry I just do not see much in the way of progress. Anyway, it's all academic as far as I'm concerned, I think we're dead and buried. I'm not going to be too keen to talk up 'progress' in a season where we're going down. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 We played well today throughout despite the score line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post YLN Posted December 26, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2015 26 minutes ago, Czechlad said: I'm just posting some stats. We need to get better defensively, but at the same time we aren't scoring. They're not stats. They're numbers of goals with no context. We conceded four goals to Everton. There were only 3 points up for grabs in that game. If we'd lost 6-0 to Chelsea and Man City and then beaten five teams 1-0, you could represent Garde's time with the club with the same information, despite the fact we'd have 15 points from 21. A nonsense comparison 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honest_bertie Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 1 hour ago, Jareth said: Happy with Garde. We were in intensive care when he came, now we are stabilized. He now has the January window to boost the squad. I can't imagine us staying up but I get the feeling we will keep improving. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I know this has been discussed before, and I know its been given a short shrift, but IMO our weakest area is full back. Does anyone think a back 3 might suit our current squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 33 minutes ago, av1 said: I know this has been discussed before, and I know its been given a short shrift, but IMO our weakest area is full back. Does anyone think a back 3 might suit our current squad? only if Richards is fit. Clark should get nowhere near the 1st team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted December 26, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 26, 2015 If Richards, Okore, Lescott, Cissokho was our back four we'd be looking a lot more steady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sam3773 Posted December 26, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2015 This thread is magical. The man has been here just under 2 months and managed 7 games. He took over a squad that had been playing a different formation with different players each week and whose confidence was subterranean. He's just got the first back to back points all season and because it's not what we needed it's on him? For me, we got a little bit of what we needed today and that's some confidence back. They're getting used to a formation and a squad with little or no variation to the last match and are slowly building confidence. I would have loved a 60 minute super sub to come on, but in my opinion that's a Tim Shitewood way of thinking. Take a defender off, throw another attacker on, go 2 down and throw away any confidence and belief that may be there. You can put the finest manager in the world here, but if the players don't have the skill, belief or confidence then we won't be moving anywhere. I'm not saying we'll get out of this mess, but to blame it on Remi Garde is just absurd. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Why do you have to take a defender off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 we had 3 centre midfielders on for 80 minutes and should have took off Gil off as he looked awful. Gil for Traore and Veretout for Grealish would have gave us a 4-4-2 with width especially against a team who lacked ambition no guts no glory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I agree. We didn't have to go stupid. But we have a real lack of creativity in that midfield. We could have gone 4-4-2 with two wingers. For a team rock bottom, we're far too scared to really try and win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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