Awol Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Xann said: It's absolute insanity. They might swerve it? Cummings is sharp.and his friends net savvy. Enough conversations like this on the interweb and things could change? They don’t give a crap about what the country thinks - and lets be frank, not many normal folks are engaged with this anyway. The security/deep state in UK were against this decision, which means it’s being driven by the money men via various establishment figures - check out the board of Huawei UK for a few examples. We need the Americans to save us from ourselves, or more accurately, from the financial prostitutes in the City. Johnson has effed up badly here, pursuing a characteristic cake & eat it policy. Washington has belatedly woken up to the China threat and will employ raw power politics to get its way. They’ve asked us nicely, but now they’ll let us know what’s really on the line. Attorney General Barr’s remarks today about acquiring a stake in Nokia or Ericsson were interesting and might be the compromise/face saving and practical alternative that gets everyone out of a hole. Interestingly Macron made a big speech today that explicitly referenced Europe’s digital sovereignty. If he’s going to ban Huawei in France and also try to get the EU on board then he’s got a battle on with Merkel, too. Interesting times.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Reckon they'll want to show some sort of victory every now and then, and perhaps a U-Turn on this might be one of them? The board of Huawei was one my favourite rants of 2019, then it was the Beeb editing Boris sober and his wreath the right way up at the Cenotaph. We seem to have become desensitised to the Tories crossing lines, much as the US has to their President's near continuous dysfunction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 This all seems very healthy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Jeebus, if they think the whole of BBC news and current affairs wasn’t backing them enough in the last election then I’m not sure what would appease them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Hansard 22nd Jan 2020: Quote The Prime Minister Universal credit has in fact succeeded in getting 200,000 people into jobs. UK Stats Authority: Quote Response on Statement on Universal Credit (PMQs, 22 January 2020) Dear Ms Greenwood, Thank you for your letter of 24 January about the Prime Minister’s remarks regarding Universal Credit during Prime Minister’s Questions on 22 January. You asked the UK Statistics Authority to investigate the claim that “Universal Credit has in fact succeeded in getting 200,000 people into jobs”. As you say, the 200,000 figure represents the Department for Work and Pensions’ estimate of the predicted impact on employment once Universal Credit is fully rolled out rather than the effect so far. I am copying this letter to the Prime Minister. Yours sincerely, Sir David Norgrove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Lammy making good points: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 These aren't windrush though are they? They are foreign nationals convicted of serious offences and being deported under legislation set up by Labour years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 10, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Xela said: These aren't windrush though are they? Some of them are. Some of them are kids of...who when they came here they were tots and nippers and in any case may actually be British. Regardless of where they were born, sending someone young "back" to a place they basically have never known....where there's no network of family or community. Some of them their "serious crimes" are not necessarily "serious". By all means turf out adult hard crims from abroad, but it looks like they've got a bit zealous (again) and the judgement and rigour is really poor by the home office. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Quote Michael Gove has told businesses that trade with Europe they need to prepare for “significant change” with “inevitable” border checks for “almost everybody” who imports from the EU from next year. In the first official confirmation that the government is going to impose trade barriers post-Brexit, he warned there would be checks on food and goods of animal origin, plus customs declarations and mandatory safety and security certificates required for all imports. “You have to accept we will need some friction. We will minimise it but it is an inevitability of our departure,” he told delegates at a Cabinet Office event held in central London on Monday, entitled Preparing Our Border for the Future Relationship. “I don’t underestimate the fact that this is a significant change, but we have time now to make that change.” Gove, who as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster is de facto deputy prime minister, also warned delegates it could take five years to get a smart border involving online processes up and running and said businesses had to be ready for the change next January, whatever the outcome of the next phase of Brexit negotiations. “In questions and answers his officials talked of an ‘operational border’ from the beginning of 2021, which they said was laying the foundation for best borders in 2025,” said one delegate, who reported that Gove had warned the UK must be ready for the completion of Brexit on 1 January next year when the transition period ends. Later the government issued an official update confirming checks on both imports and exports. The update warned that the “policy easements put in place for a potential no-deal exit will not be reintroduced as businesses have time to prepare”. The “easements” that will not apply include deferred VAT payments on imports, which the government had considered in a no-deal plan. Echoing Boris Johnson’s comments in a speech last week, Gove spoke of pursuing a Canada or Australian-type deal, which EU trade commissioner Phil Hogan has said was “code for no deal” as the bloc does not have a deal with Australia. According to attendees, Gove was also adamant that the government would stick to its vow to no longer follow EU rules that would allow it to minimise future barriers in cross-border trade. “The only way in which you could avoid those customs procedures and regulatory checks would be if you were to align with EU law and if you were to align with EU law we would be undermining the basis on which the prime minister secured the mandate at the general election to affirm our departure,” Gove said in comments that were recorded... ...However, Gove did seem to distance himself from recent comments by the chancellor, Sajid Javid, that suggested business should stop complaining about future trade barriers as they have known about Brexit since 2016... ... Gove’s address is the first official confirmation on the detailed border checks to come, something industry leaders particularly in car manufacturing and in agriculture have campaigned against. Grauniad Plus extra red tape - Surprise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Xela said: They are foreign nationals convicted of serious offences Are they? I believe that the Government minister said they weren't prepared to comment upon individual cases. This is according to The Grauniad: Quote Rishi Sunak, the chief secretary to the Treasury, said those being forcibly removed had committed “very serious offences”. But 13 detainees due to board Tuesday’s flight described a range of less serious offences they had committed. And also: From the Independent article: Quote In one case, The Independent revealed that Reshawn Davis, 30, who has been in the UK since the age of 11 and has a six-month-old British daughter, is set to be removed on the basis that he was convicted for robbery 10 years ago under the now-unlawful “joint enterprise” rule – for which he spent two months in prison. ... Mr Davis’s solicitor made representations for him to remain in the UK this week on the basis of family ties but it was ruled on Friday that he did not have a “genuine and subsisting” relationship with his wife or child and that it would “not be unduly harsh” for them to be without him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Courts have over ruled and the flight isn’t happening now pending further investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Courts have over ruled and the flight isn’t happening now pending further investigation Because a good number of them were denied legal advice I think I read somewhere earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Courts have over ruled and the flight isn’t happening now pending further investigation It doesn't appear to be as clear as that. Edited February 10, 2020 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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desensitized43 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) On 07/02/2020 at 23:55, Awol said: They don’t give a crap about what the country thinks - and lets be frank, not many normal folks are engaged with this anyway. The security/deep state in UK were against this decision, which means it’s being driven by the money men via various establishment figures - check out the board of Huawei UK for a few examples. We need the Americans to save us from ourselves, or more accurately, from the financial prostitutes in the City. Johnson has effed up badly here, pursuing a characteristic cake & eat it policy. Washington has belatedly woken up to the China threat and will employ raw power politics to get its way. They’ve asked us nicely, but now they’ll let us know what’s really on the line. Attorney General Barr’s remarks today about acquiring a stake in Nokia or Ericsson were interesting and might be the compromise/face saving and practical alternative that gets everyone out of a hole. Interestingly Macron made a big speech today that explicitly referenced Europe’s digital sovereignty. If he’s going to ban Huawei in France and also try to get the EU on board then he’s got a battle on with Merkel, too. Interesting times.. This is exactly what I've been saying for months. There's only one reason to take this risk...because it's cheaper than the alternative. Mainly it's being driven by the operators that already have Huawei in their networks and are terrified of having to spend billions ripping it out...too bad. They knew what Huawei were/are when they decided to save a few quid by using them. This is definitely greedy corporations putting their share price above national security and the government allowing them to do so. Edited February 11, 2020 by desensitized43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 It's uncomfortable that our govt are deporting, essentially British people, to a country they have loose ties to and may have never lived in, on the basis on 'crimes' they're not willing to disclose, and people are cheering them for it. I wonder if they'll cheer when they come for them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted February 11, 2020 They won't come to them, because their voters are so white and so British that the cliffs in Dover would recoil in shame at their lack of paleness and lack of Britishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Does this give us hope that if Boris Johnson commits a crime he is deported back to the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) Edit: Edited February 11, 2020 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted February 11, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 11, 2020 Quote A planned deportation flight to Jamaica has taken off but with fewer than half of those due to have been on board after a court upheld a legal challenge. As the government came under fire for proceeding with the flight, it was defended on Tuesday by the chancellor, who said those onboard were not members of the Windrush generation but offenders who posed a risk to the public. “These are all foreign national offenders – they have all received custodial sentences of 12 months or more. They are responsible for crimes like manslaughter, rape, dealing in class A drugs,” Sajid Javid told BBC Radio 5 Live. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/11/deportation-flight-leaves-uk-for-jamaica-despite-court-ruling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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