sexbelowsound Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 What's the double pivot? The pivot is basically the central DM who sits between midfield and defense. The double pivot is basically 2 of them, so typically 4-2-3-1 formation. Interesting to hear that this guy has also played as a defensive MF and is good technically and comfortable on the ball I think he sounds like a real prospect and gives us more depth and options. I'm not sure if he'll play as a full back as he sounds more central and Sherwood seems to prefer attacking fullbacks for width. Sounds like a good signing and I'm looking forward to seeing if / how he is used. You sure? Jeison Murillo and Illori are both centre-backs. Did Granada really play two centre backs in defensive midfield as well as two outright centrehalfs. Thats quite interesting if they did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Midlands correspondent (Pat Murphy maybe?) on some radio station was saying Ilori turned down Sunderland as he wasn't being guaranteed first team football. So... who's making way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 2, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2015 Maybe Advocaat didn't give him a guarantee, but I can't imagine he wouldn't have had an opportunity at some point in that defence. They're rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 2, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2015 Midlands correspondent (Pat Murphy maybe?) on some radio station was saying Ilori turned down Sunderland as he wasn't being guaranteed first team football. So... who's making way? Hutton would be my guess. But I doubt very much any such guarantee has been given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 2, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2015 Guarantee implies regular starter. I'd say it's reasonable he has been told he'll get an opportunity. As will every newcomer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I'm hoping he's been signed as a right back as it's our weakest position aside from striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Midlands correspondent (Pat Murphy maybe?) on some radio station was saying Ilori turned down Sunderland as he wasn't being guaranteed first team football. So... who's making way? I heard he refused Sunderland because it's cold and crap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Midlands correspondent (Pat Murphy maybe?) on some radio station was saying Ilori turned down Sunderland as he wasn't being guaranteed first team football. So... who's making way? I heard he refused Sunderland because it's cold and crap Birmingham isn't much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted September 2, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2015 He comes highly rated and still a good age. Adding quality and competition for places can only be a good thing, it's good to have depth. I wonder where he's at now as there's no pictures or quotes that I've seen. Is he with the u21 Portugal squad? As for shirt number, I imagine he'll pick up number 2 or 3 now Baker and Bennett are out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 2, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2015 I heard he refused Sunderland because it's cold and crapBirmingham isn't much better. Closer to the equator and not crap. Sounds a lot better to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I would take the dissapointment of LIveprool fans with a pinch of salt. They think every youngster they own is the next coming of Keegan. Corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Good thing with this is having an option to buy, player won't have that mentality that I'm heading straight back and couldn't give a shit mentality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 2, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2015 Good thing with this is having an option to buy, player won't have that mentality that I'm heading straight back and couldn't give a shit mentality. And as fans we're not looking at another Kyle Walker who goes home a much better player. This one only goes home if he's shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) In an opinion firmly grounded in complete ignorance, I'm actually very pleased about this signing. Edited September 2, 2015 by penguin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 2, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2015 Good thing with this is having an option to buy, player won't have that mentality that I'm heading straight back and couldn't give a shit mentality. And as fans we're not looking at another Kyle Walker who goes home a much better player. This one only goes home if he's shit. I think that's the key with this transfer isn't it? He does well; we buy and we've got a good player, he does crap; we hand him back. It's about as win win as a loan deal gets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 2, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2015 Yep it's absolutely the key to it. The only (very remote) scenario where it burns us if it becomes an Alderweireld situation where the player does unbelievably better than the agreed fee during his loan spell and the owner club says f*ck that and sells him to the highest bidder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I call bullshit on the regular football thing. Sunderland are rotten. They're in trouble an don't look like dragging themselves out. They may just survive but it won't be pretty. He won't want to be associated with that, especially in he's highly rated, as is suggested. He chose us because we're trying something progressive and interesting. He's not likely to be an instant starter here anyway. Richards isn't making way and Lescott has just signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Do think he'll line up at RB though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 In Demitri's defence, you mentioned Bacuna and Richardson as being back to midfielders and then only mentioned Richardson as an option at fullback. He's either not an option or they both are I omitted Bacuna intentionally through my hope of not seeing him play there again, that is what I was getting at when i said 'no I didn't'. Although I should have applied the same to Richardson as well as I hope to never see him play LB for us again either. Ok that makes sense but Richardson is worse at lb than bacuna is at rb! I don't see any other place for bacuna in the side barring rb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 This deal is also an indication that those running the club have learnt from past mistakes and have some business savvy. Maybe we won't be shit forever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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