BleedClaretAndBlue Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Shame was looking forward to seeing him maybe start a league game and show he made the right decision picking us over Stoke.Might be worth the risk if he is borderline, plenty of time for recovery after today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Only a knock on the ankle apparently in training, nothing serious #ITKBanterMakes me think Sherwood makes excuses for players not to play them. Gil was fit enough last week too, although Sherwood was saying he was carrying a knock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Shock horror it looks like he's injured again.Did he get hurt playing for U21s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Only a knock on the ankle apparently in training, nothing serious #ITKBanterMakes me think Sherwood makes excuses for players not to play them. Gil was fit enough last week too, although Sherwood was saying he was carrying a knock?Gil and Grealish didn't have a proper pre season and Traore keeps getting knocks. All 3 haven't been properly fit yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Only a knock on the ankle apparently in training, nothing serious #ITKBanterMakes me think Sherwood makes excuses for players not to play them. Gil was fit enough last week too, although Sherwood was saying he was carrying a knock? One of the most ridiculous things I have read in a while. The manager lies that players are injured, in this case a player he signed, as an excuse for not picking them. You really think if this was going on, as you have also stated it happened with Gil, that the players themselves wouldn't leak something to state they were fine.We've had a poor start to the season and criticize the manager all you like for that but don't let yourself down by posting this kind of conspiracy crap.Sherwood needs all the help he can get. If Traore was even close to 100% fit he would be playing him.Anyway I'm off to Villa Park to back the players who are fit to get three points and hopefully lesson the likelihood of reading this kind of shite on here when I get back. Edited October 3, 2015 by markavfc40 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 We have three, what I would call, luxury players at the moment in Traore, Gil and Grealish. Three players with bags of talent but limited graft. These players are hard to find but even the best teams struggle to accommodate them individually, never mind all three. The problem with these players is it's like playing with ten men for a majority of the match and hoping that, if they feel like it today, they may spark to life for 15mins and singlehandly swing the game in our favour. That's fine if you can go toe to toe with the opposition whilst they amble around uninterested but a big problem if every game is a battle to hold on like we have at the moment.There's definitely an argument to play one of them. Grealish has the most scope to add graft to his game so is probably the obvious starter. Traore is probably the most talented but will never add graft due to that arrogant side that makes him lively, so unfortunately he has to be a sub until Villa improve.It's a very annoying set of circumstances, but I fear that we have Traore at the wrong time. Have him during the MON years and we could afford to develop and witness his genius, but having him now is a luxury we can't afford - this season, at absolute best, is going to be about scraping and fighting for points and we can't afford any passengers. Traore is basically too good for us and knows it. We'd all love to see all three playing but realistically it makes us far too lightweight, far too gungho, and in this division you'll be slaughtered nine times out of ten for such 'bravery'. eloquently put......and 110% spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Gil is one of our hardest workers and tracks back tonnes.So lazy to think that because he's skilful, he's a luxury. Absolute shite thinking too.So no, not '110% spot on'. Edited October 3, 2015 by StefanAVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 We have three, what I would call, luxury players at the moment in Traore, Gil and Grealish. Three players with bags of talent but limited graft. These players are hard to find but even the best teams struggle to accommodate them individually, never mind all three. The problem with these players is it's like playing with ten men for a majority of the match and hoping that, if they feel like it today, they may spark to life for 15mins and singlehandly swing the game in our favour. That's fine if you can go toe to toe with the opposition whilst they amble around uninterested but a big problem if every game is a battle to hold on like we have at the moment.There's definitely an argument to play one of them. Grealish has the most scope to add graft to his game so is probably the obvious starter. Traore is probably the most talented but will never add graft due to that arrogant side that makes him lively, so unfortunately he has to be a sub until Villa improve.It's a very annoying set of circumstances, but I fear that we have Traore at the wrong time. Have him during the MON years and we could afford to develop and witness his genius, but having him now is a luxury we can't afford - this season, at absolute best, is going to be about scraping and fighting for points and we can't afford any passengers. Traore is basically too good for us and knows it. We'd all love to see all three playing but realistically it makes us far too lightweight, far too gungho, and in this division you'll be slaughtered nine times out of ten for such 'bravery'. eloquently put......and 110% spot on.Definitely not too good for us at the moment. Perhaps in the future, but he has a lot to learn to get to that point. And I do not think he thinks he is too good for us, he only knows one way to play at the moment. A scary sub, but not a starter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted October 17, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2015 This thread has been terribly quiet. Anyone know if he's likely to play at all today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 My guess would be he will be on the bench and then when we're 2-0 up we'll take off a defender and put him on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Gil is one of our hardest workers and tracks back tonnes. So lazy to think that because he's skilful, he's a luxury. Absolute shite thinking too. So no, not '110% spot on'. 111, then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Gil is one of our hardest workers and tracks back tonnes. So lazy to think that because he's skilful, he's a luxury. Absolute shite thinking too. So no, not '110% spot on'. 111, then I too want him in the team, but he is still "light" in his play, he is not a scrapper, is what is being said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 My guess would be he will be on the bench and then when we're 2-0 up we'll take off a defender and put him on the classic MON tactic and move Sanchez to right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Probably get greeted with a resounding "hell no" but coud he be converted to a CF , in the Atkinson type mould ...he's a big bloke and clearly quick and playing him through the centre means he can be more head down and charging at the donkey CB's instead of trying to beat FB's and be expected to put a cross in .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Probably get greeted with a resounding "hell no" but coud he be converted to a CF , in the Atkinson type mould ...he's a big bloke and clearly quick and playing him through the centre means he can be more head down and charging at the donkey CB's instead of trying to beat FB's and be expected to put a cross in .... you make him sound like Gabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 17, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2015 We've all seen that he's got a hell of a lot of natural talent.But he's got a lot to learn before he becomes effective at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Sherwood has no idea how to use him! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernova26 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Wasn't his best cameo today but won us a couple of corners of which we had 0 before he came on. The trick he done before the Dancing On Ice tribute was clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Probably get greeted with a resounding "hell no" but coud he be converted to a CF , in the Atkinson type mould ...he's a big bloke and clearly quick and playing him through the centre means he can be more head down and charging at the donkey CB's instead of trying to beat FB's and be expected to put a cross in .... you make him sound like Gabby funnily enough i had that thought just after I posted it .... but CF Gabby under MON was more effective than wide man gabby chasing back defending that every manager since seems to think he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Sherwood has no idea how to use him!He has never actually had him fit, I make that his 4th game for Villa over 2 months 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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