Demitri_C Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Just now, BOF said: Previous club factor though. Blackburn ... Yes i get that but its known he is far better as an impact sub, Id bring him on for at least 35 minutes second half if things were not going well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcTheObsession Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 We still don't really play to a system that suits Gestede (I'm not saying we should, he's not good enough to be accommodated), so I'd rather see him on the bench despite the injuries we have. Maybe Grealish at the tip of a diamond just behind RMC and Old Kodjia on Sat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 completely agree if the options are RMC and Kodjia up front with then grealish in behind or rudy up top with then 2 of Kodjia / Grealish / RMC out wide then its a no brainer that we go with option 1 playing 2 players out of position to accomodate rudy is madness IMO and he's shown enough times he isnt mobile enough to play as 1 of the 2 in the first option 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RimmyJimmer Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 8 minutes ago, villa4europe said: completely agree if the options are RMC and Kodjia up front with then grealish in behind or rudy up top with then 2 of Kodjia / Grealish / RMC out wide then its a no brainer that we go with option 1 playing 2 players out of position to accomodate rudy is madness IMO and he's shown enough times he isnt mobile enough to play as 1 of the 2 in the first option No way we will play option 1....going from 1 up top and 5 in midfield to 2 up top and 4 in midfield, one of which is a show pony!! Bruce has got more nouse than that...& yes I know we're at home to blackburn :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 like i said playing 1 up top, assuming adomah is injured, means we will have 2 players out of position I'll be really disappointed if we play RMC or grealish wide again, we've seen a couple of times now both of them go missing out there, kodjia just and only just IMO gets away with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 In my view ......at this level you need a player to take out their central defenders. Kojia / adomah/ Rmc do not look strong enough to disrupt them......The team is not flowing enough for them to exert their technical superiority. Rudy can preoccupy them while the boys above have the freedom to do their thing.....otherwise they just get negated by muscle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I disagree completely, I think rudy is easy to defend, you need to occupy defenders with movement so the CB pairing is never quite sure who has him, it's not that special a talent either, Shane Long can do it, Doyle can do it, they can move across the entire back four causing problems, someone who can find space in a phone box rudy IMO is going to be physical and a battle in the air but he's easy to mark and pass on and double up on, you can leave him be too cos you pretty much know where he is hence why I think rudy is dependent on really high quality crosses in to him, proper on a sixpence stuff, cos slightly to the side of him or over hit or even a eyes closed ball in to a good area, he's not there, he's not gambling, he's waiting for a ball to land on his head if you know where his head is as a defender then that's easy to defend, it'll be the ball in that beats you not the bloke heading it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) 36 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I disagree completely, I think rudy is easy to defend, you need to occupy defenders with movement so the CB pairing is never quite sure who has him, it's not that special a talent either, Shane Long can do it, Doyle can do it, they can move across the entire back four causing problems, someone who can find space in a phone box rudy IMO is going to be physical and a battle in the air but he's easy to mark and pass on and double up on, you can leave him be too cos you pretty much know where he is hence why I think rudy is dependent on really high quality crosses in to him, proper on a sixpence stuff, cos slightly to the side of him or over hit or even a eyes closed ball in to a good area, he's not there, he's not gambling, he's waiting for a ball to land on his head if you know where his head is as a defender then that's easy to defend, it'll be the ball in that beats you not the bloke heading it I don't think Rudy is easy to defend against, maybe at top of the prem, but not at this level of centre back. He is not the most technically gifted, but he has the physical presence to be a nuisance and it is that nuisance value that gives our better players the much needed space to function. I understand your point, but it was clear last Sunday that despite the superior skill.....Ayew and Kodjia were struggling to impose their skill.....Rudy would have given them the freedom and preoccupied Shotton & Morrison( they were coming forward in to midfield, because no one was stopping them)...thats my take on it. I understand that in the ideal world, you would have players whose movement can be the disruption( I am a great supporter of movement)....but that didn't happen.....and we don't have a Shane Long. We all know the holy grail is technical ability, but it has to be accompanied by many other attributes for it to be effective.....In the short term Brawn can be an immediate fix (for points)as much as it is frowned upon in some quarters. I have no doubt in the Prem Rudy's presence will be nullified and rendered ineffective.....but at this level, I think he can be useful Edited November 3, 2016 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Is he injured or just out of favour? Might be useful to have on the bench tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Have to say I really disappointed in him this season. Just doesnt look up to it. He wins a few headers but just doesnt seems a threat whatsoever. I think our attacking threat is massively hindered when he starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 As I've said many times for us he's an impact sub, nothing more. Only start him when we play Rotherham again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Unfortunately for Rudy he needs a striker to play along side with, someone who can do the running and move the defence around. Make runs from his flick ons etc... Currently we need a 3 man midfield due to our weak options in that area and so playing two up front isn't going to happen anytime soon Impact sub when we need to lump the ball long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 i think rudy has to play in the hole as he gets the knock downs and you need someone like kodjia, gabby or ayew chasing it hasnt been good for a while now in my eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Needs to have a partner up there to work. Otherwise a late sub to help defend set pieces or for us to go long to should be his role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 He is extremely limited as a footballer. Unless we are playing a 4-4-2, with wingers who are going to cross all match, Rudy is not the guy we need. Kodjia-McCormack is the strike pairing I want to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) Rudy needs to learnt the art of working his opposite number. He is never going to be the silky skilled striker, but he needs to apply himself to suit what he does best....physically impose himself. He needs to bully the centre Halves and bring in the the other forwards with less physical prowess. He is picked for a particular reason.....He needs to live up to that. Edited December 5, 2016 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 10 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Have to say I really disappointed in him this season. Really? He isn't very good. We already knew that surely. He is doing sod all, but that's exactly what I expected from him. So no disappointment from me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted December 6, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 6, 2016 16 hours ago, TRO said: Rudy needs to learnt the art of working his opposite number. He is never going to be the silky skilled striker, but he needs to apply himself to suit what he does best....physically impose himself. He needs to bully the centre Halves and bring in the the other forwards with less physical prowess. He is picked for a particular reason.....He needs to live up to that. Yes, well said TRO. And since he doesn't do that, he's largely irrelevant in games. How can a big man like him hide so well on the pitch? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Its all well and good a manager picking a player to do a certain job......but when they simply don't do it......who's fault is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Apart from possibly 2 good flick on headers he didn't really offer anything v Leeds. Slowed down attacks misplaced passes breaking moves down. 25 mins left and needing to get a result then hoof ball with him on but not from the start. He just doesn't justify a place in the starting line up from what I have seen of him this season. Maybe in some games against weak defenders he will boss it but against decent defenders they just let him win the headers as he's to last man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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