Butterfingers Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: The fact that it is there at all. Why would the club put it in otherwise when it is detrimental to them? We are of course assuming that it is there. The point is not that it is there, more so that whoever was negotiating these clauses did not do a very good job, however it is dressed up. Why would the club give Gabby his contract that he's on? The bottom line is that we've had mash mellows negotiating on our behalf all the way through the Lerner era. Being a nice person and being a football negotiator simply do not mix. Shirt sales have improved though, so I'm led to believe. At the end of the day, a man like Levy, Wyness or even Doug Ellis would have better represented our club in negotiations than numptys like Fox, Faulkner, Reiley etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Butterfingers said: Dude Can you provide me the evidence that Gana wouldn't sign without that release clause in place? I'll get it then. The evidence is the contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 20, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 20, 2016 3 hours ago, bobzy said: I'm amazed people still don't understand the basic premise of negotiations Yep. People still seem to think they're put in by our side for shits and giggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 20, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 20, 2016 Wow, I wrote that ^^^ before I'd read the last couple of pages. Even more bewildered now that people don't get how this works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said: The evidence is the contract. That is not evidence. That simply shows how soppy we were. Now if DDID had shown us that, for example, we dropped £5k a week off our initial offer in return for a lower sell on clause, then I could live with it but to claim he wouldn't sign unless we took a hit on the sell on fee because its in a contract (supposedly) is little more than idle gossip. For me, this is further testimony of why transfer committees do not work and why real football should be in charge of these things, which thankfully seems to be the case moving forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PieFacE Posted July 20, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) this thread. We protect ourselves in the event of relegation by inserting wage reductions into players' contracts The players protect themselves by inserting a small(ish) release clause into the contract in the event of a relegation. It's not rocket science. You can't just have it one way. Well you can try, but the player wouldn't sign. Edited July 20, 2016 by PieFacE 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Butterfingers said: That is not evidence. That simply shows how soppy we were. Now if DDID had shown us that, for example, we dropped £5k a week off our initial offer in return for a lower sell on clause, then I could live with it but to claim he wouldn't sign unless we took a hit on the sell on fee because its in a contract (supposedly) is little more than idle gossip. For me, this is further testimony of why transfer committees do not work and why real football should be in charge of these things, which thankfully seems to be the case moving forwards. So, to conclude, without evidence of anything that had been offered previously nor competition from other clubs, the team have given in on a terrible release clause and not negotiated well. However, without evidence of anything that had been offered previously nor competition from other clubs, anyone who disagrees with this is "soppy" and the entire episode is proof that transfer committees don't work? Riiiiight. Edit: To be fair, you didn't say people were soppy - just the club. The point stands though Edited July 20, 2016 by bobzy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie k Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 i thought richards must be gone when i saw all the new replies on this thread,damn ye 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, PieFacE said: this thread. We protect ourselves in the event of relegation by inserting wage reductions into players' contracts The players protect themselves by inserting a small(ish) release clause into the contract in the event of a relegation. It's not rocket science. You can't just have it one way. Well you can try, but the player wouldn't sign. I would venture to suggest that ours was by far the best offer on the table to him (if indeed there were others), hence the deal being done so early. Do you really think that he wouldn't sign if we said we wanted £8 million for him, not 7? We were his preferred choice, be it because we were PL and/or because we were offering him the highest package. He wouldn't jeopardise that for the sake of £1million on a release clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Richie k said: i thought richards must be gone when i saw all the new replies on this thread,damn ye Likewise. Very very disappointed in you all. IMO we don't know anywhere near enough about each contract to either criticise or praise the Club. Chances are in some cases we did good business and in others not so good. Even then it would be very subjective. One thing for sure, however clued up or not the Club were the players will almost all have had differing offers and their Agents will have sought the best deal. That is bound to mean that to get someone you really want you may not get the best deal from the Clubs viewpoint. But the same goes for every Club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 20, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 20, 2016 Just now, Butterfingers said: I would venture to suggest that ours was by far the best offer on the table to him (if indeed there were others), hence the deal being done so early. Do you really think that he wouldn't sign if we said we wanted £8 million for him, not 7? We were his preferred choice, be it because we were PL and/or because we were offering him the highest package. He wouldn't jeopardise that for the sake of £1million on a release clause. I have no idea, it's all guesswork really who was/wasn't in for him, what he would have accepted or not, we don't know. We may have done really well to get him to accept a £7m release clause as he may have wanted a £3m release clause for all we know. On the other hand, he may have accepted a £15m release clause had we tried. There's little point saying we did good or bad in this, because without being privy to the discussions, we simply do not know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, Butterfingers said: I would venture to suggest that ours was by far the best offer on the table to him (if indeed there were others), hence the deal being done so early. Do you really think that he wouldn't sign if we said we wanted £8 million for him, not 7? We were his preferred choice, be it because we were PL and/or because we were offering him the highest package. He wouldn't jeopardise that for the sake of £1million on a release clause. Well based on your previous replies on this thread, the only way that this suggestion can be taken seriously is if you provide us with proof. Or is conjecture and supposition only relevant when it's yours? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 Richards defensive jumping has improved i see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AntrimBlack Posted July 20, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Richards defensive jumping has improved i see That is him saying, ``Wtf, this is my thread.'' 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Wow, I wrote that ^^^ before I'd read the last couple of pages. Even more bewildered now that people don't get how this works! People seem to think it's like a job in a supermarket, and the club just issues its standard terms of employment. Baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted July 20, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Davkaus said: People seem to think it's like a job in a supermarket, and the club just issues its standard terms of employment. Baffling. "Hi, is that Idrissa?" "yes" "You're happy with the contract? 50 thousand a week plus a 25% reduction if we get relegated?" "yes that's fine" "you're totally happy? You're ready to sign?" "yes i'm ready to sign" "Great. Speak to you soon *hangs up*. Tom, he's ready to sign!" "Stick a release clause in there" "But he didn't want one" "just do it anyway. Apparently that's what people think we do" 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 20, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 20, 2016 Dear VillaTalk posters Please stay on topic yours, The mods 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Soooooo, that Micah Richards bloke..... off to Sunderland apparently...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, TheStagMan said: Soooooo, that Micah Richards bloke..... off to Sunderland apparently...... Is there a release clause though ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Just now, dounavilla said: Is there a release clause though ? Apparently - £5m. WTF were we thinking....? oh god, what have I done!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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