StefanAVFC Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) It IS a lazy comparison. If he was called Charles Austinho and had just had the same season, those comparisons wouldn't have been made. But then he would (probably) not be English and therefore cost half as much.I'd be all for signing him for around £7m This is absolutely baffling. You'd pay the same amount for a striker from the Belgian league with an ok scoring record as a striker with proven goalscoring ability in the PL? Not saying there\s no better options than Austin but some of the comments about him are so OTT. Similar to Danny Graham? Give me a break. Austin is averaging a goal every 175mins to Bentekes 176mins this season. This proves that he's worth a decent amount if anything. 15 million these days isn't that much to spend on a striker because the market is ridiculously inflated. 10-12 million, I'd be chuffed. 15 million, still happy but cautious. If your gonna use stats for your argument , you must look at all the stats not just the stats that inflate your point of view , Balls won in air by benteke when we play thump ball that he knocks onto other players Discipline Penalty misses As I said very easy to turn stats into your advantage , but doesn't mean your near being right or wrong One stat you can't argue with though: 2008–2009Poole Town 42 (48) 2009–2011Swindon Town 54 (31) 2011–2013Burnley 82 (41) 2013–Queens Park Rangers 62 (34) I could throw up the stats for players like Ross McCormack or Jordan Rhodes and there stats can look amazing, but doesn't mean they are worth 15 million , like I said stats can manipulate an argument, if you said to me I've seen quiet a bit of Austin this season and think he is worth the money , I'd say fair point How many goals have Rhodes and McCormack scored in the PL for a totally shite team? And McCormack went for 12m in the championship IIRC (not that he's worth it, but that's the market for strikers right now) Edited May 21, 2015 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete101 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 It IS a lazy comparison. If he was called Charles Austinho and had just had the same season, those comparisons wouldn't have been made. But then he would (probably) not be English and therefore cost half as much.I'd be all for signing him for around £7m This is absolutely baffling. You'd pay the same amount for a striker from the Belgian league with an ok scoring record as a striker with proven goalscoring ability in the PL? Not saying there\s no better options than Austin but some of the comments about him are so OTT. Similar to Danny Graham? Give me a break. Austin is averaging a goal every 175mins to Bentekes 176mins this season. This proves that he's worth a decent amount if anything. 15 million these days isn't that much to spend on a striker because the market is ridiculously inflated. 10-12 million, I'd be chuffed. 15 million, still happy but cautious. If your gonna use stats for your argument , you must look at all the stats not just the stats that inflate your point of view , Balls won in air by benteke when we play thump ball that he knocks onto other players Discipline Penalty misses As I said very easy to turn stats into your advantage , but doesn't mean your near being right or wrong One stat you can't argue with though: 2008–2009Poole Town 42 (48) 2009–2011Swindon Town 54 (31) 2011–2013Burnley 82 (41) 2013–Queens Park Rangers 62 (34) I could throw up the stats for players like Ross McCormack or Jordan Rhodes and there stats can look amazing, but doesn't mean they are worth 15 million , like I said stats can manipulate an argument, if you said to me I've seen quiet a bit of Austin this season and think he is worth the money , I'd say fair point How many goals have Rhodes and McCormack scored in the PL for a totally shite team? Exactly , the stats above were in 1 year of prem lg and the other ones were his pervious seasons in lower lg, purely put there to inflate the argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Never mind the merit's of Charlie Austin, I'm more shocked that people seemingly think that we will be spending £15m on any single signing. Going by the clubs spending over the last few years, coupled with the uncertainty surrounding a takeover, I'd be absolutely amazed to see signings of that nature. Irrelevant of Benteke's future at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted May 21, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 21, 2015 Never mind the merit's of Charlie Austin, I'm more shocked that people seemingly think that we will be spending £15m on any single signing. Going by the clubs spending over the last few years, coupled with the uncertainty surrounding a takeover, I'd be absolutely amazed to see signings of that nature. Irrelevant of Benteke's future at the club. I'm not convinced. While the club is unsold, it's business as usual. That means investing any money raised from sales towards new purchases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 No one's paying £15M for Charlie Austin, if it's true that he's in the last year of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 21, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2015 Given that we'd be buying him from QPR, I'm not sure we'd be able to match his presumed £180k p/w wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 No one's paying £15M for Charlie Austin, if it's true that he's in the last year of his contract. Oh my god, I automatically assumed it was 2, you are right, and people were on about paying that for him, WOW. Given that we'd be buying him from QPR, I'm not sure we'd be able to match his presumed £180k p/w wages He's on 28k a week by the looks, Barton highest paid on 90k a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Charlie Austin could easily be next Michael Ricketts, so I'd be wary of paying 15 million for him. Edited May 21, 2015 by Jarpie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Surely the Adebayor links are bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Surely the Adebayor links are bullshit They remind me of the Grant Holt links straight after we hired Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 With all he off-field problems Adebayors having, even if him and Sherwood are best buds he's not an idiot and will know his heads not in it anymore. No chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 It IS a lazy comparison. If he was called Charles Austinho and had just had the same season, those comparisons wouldn't have been made. But then he would (probably) not be English and therefore cost half as much.I'd be all for signing him for around £7m This is absolutely baffling. You'd pay the same amount for a striker from the Belgian league with an ok scoring record as a striker with proven goalscoring ability in the PL? Not saying there\s no better options than Austin but some of the comments about him are so OTT. Similar to Danny Graham? Give me a break. Austin is averaging a goal every 175mins to Bentekes 176mins this season. This proves that he's worth a decent amount if anything. 15 million these days isn't that much to spend on a striker because the market is ridiculously inflated. 10-12 million, I'd be chuffed. 15 million, still happy but cautious. If your gonna use stats for your argument , you must look at all the stats not just the stats that inflate your point of view , Balls won in air by benteke when we play thump ball that he knocks onto other players Discipline Penalty misses As I said very easy to turn stats into your advantage , but doesn't mean your near being right or wrong So stats can't be used in a discussion unless you list ALL of the stats to do with that player? Wow, you must be a right laugh to go to a game with You mention 'discipline', so what's that? Just the amount of red or yellow cards a player receives? I can't imagine that stat could he used to great effect. Also, you mention 'balls won in the air by Benteke when we thump the ball up to him'. I'd imagine that's pretty irrelevant when we're discussing the merits of buying Charlie Austin, as our style of play would presumably change. Those thumped balls wouldn't be lost by Austin, we just wouldn't do them if we didn't have Benteke to aim for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Surely the Adebayor links are bullshit They remind me of the Grant Holt links straight after we hired Lambert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Ha! Basically we don't have to worry about Adebayor until January 2017 at least though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 The Adebayor Facebook rants are a bit worrying I think, don't think he's in a stable frame of mind atm so hence why he's barely played for Spurs in the last few months. Looking abroad again, how about someone like Diego Rolan from Bordeaux. I watch French football quite regularly this season and him along with Lacazaette of Lyon have impressed me a lot. Obviously Lacazette will be going to an elite club but Rolan should be attainable, only 22 and has a good scoring record and started to break into the Uruguay squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted May 21, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) I'd take Austin for £15m if Benteke leaves, but only if he does. Like with benteke, if you create Austin chances, he'll score goals. Which i know sounds a bit Darren Bent.... But his all round play is better than Bents. Edited May 21, 2015 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfcwills10 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Obviously there is no real way to know because he's never signed a player before. But I have a feeling he's going to be a bit similar to MON with his transfer principals, and not really look overseas much. Edited May 21, 2015 by avfcwills10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Obviously there is no real way no know because he's never signed a player before. But I have a feeling he's going to be a bit similar to MON with his transfer principals, and not really look overseas much. I fear this as well, hopefully he'll surprise me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 If Benteke does go we should have enough money to buy Berahino and have some change from the two deals. If we get new owners they might have the money to bring him in to play alongside Christian. If Liverpool can talk of bringing in Benteke then why should we not talk about bringing in Berahino? We could double/treble his current wages and his fee would not be that much more than QPR would want for Austin. We are Aston Villa after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete101 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 It IS a lazy comparison. If he was called Charles Austinho and had just had the same season, those comparisons wouldn't have been made. But then he would (probably) not be English and therefore cost half as much.I'd be all for signing him for around £7m This is absolutely baffling. You'd pay the same amount for a striker from the Belgian league with an ok scoring record as a striker with proven goalscoring ability in the PL? Not saying there\s no better options than Austin but some of the comments about him are so OTT. Similar to Danny Graham? Give me a break. Austin is averaging a goal every 175mins to Bentekes 176mins this season. This proves that he's worth a decent amount if anything. 15 million these days isn't that much to spend on a striker because the market is ridiculously inflated. 10-12 million, I'd be chuffed. 15 million, still happy but cautious. If your gonna use stats for your argument , you must look at all the stats not just the stats that inflate your point of view , Balls won in air by benteke when we play thump ball that he knocks onto other players Discipline Penalty misses As I said very easy to turn stats into your advantage , but doesn't mean your near being right or wrong So stats can't be used in a discussion unless you list ALL of the stats to do with that player? Wow, you must be a right laugh to go to a game with You mention 'discipline', so what's that? Just the amount of red or yellow cards a player receives? I can't imagine that stat could he used to great effect. Also, you mention 'balls won in the air by Benteke when we thump the ball up to him'. I'd imagine that's pretty irrelevant when we're discussing the merits of buying Charlie Austin, as our style of play would presumably change. Those thumped balls wouldn't be lost by Austin, we just wouldn't do them if we didn't have Benteke to aim for. my point is , i cant stand how some people come on post 1 stat and say thats proves im right , if your too ignorant to see that one stat only tells only a bit of the story its not my fault , perfect example is eden hazard 14 goals and 8 assists , gareth bale 13 goals 9 assist, now ive given you more then one stat but still dose it tell a true story, one was best player in prem lg, the other was very poor most of the season, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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