Zatman Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: What a strange post Paul, why would people blame sherwood for that if he isnt our manager? because he has been blamed for killing Guzan and Gil confidence and making them shit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: because he has been blamed for killing Guzan and Gil confidence and making them shit He's been blamed for being a massively shit part of a massively shit season and I think that's fair enough, personally. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, bobzy said: He's been blamed for being a massively shit part of a massively shit season and I think that's fair enough, personally. that is fair enough but he has no blame for form of shit like Guzan and Gil like some people suggesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, Zatman said: because he has been blamed for killing Guzan and Gil confidence and making them shit Yet we dont even know if either of them will be at the club next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 11, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted April 11, 2016 42 minutes ago, PaulC said: I guess some people will still be blaming Sherwood if the team struggle next season in the championship. He had 9 games this season. Theres was plenty of time after that to improve but sadly we are worse now than we ever were under him. Why would they? He gets blame for this season because he assembled the squad. Next season, hopefully, that squad won't be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 He gets blame for this season because he assembled the squad. Do you include in the definition of "assembled" the departures as well as the arrivals? The departures of Benteke, Delph and Cleverley were pretty fundamental factors in the shaping of this season's squad. Are you holding him responsible for those? Also, I seem to recall that the announcement of Sinclair's appointment also seemed to take Sherwood by surprise, so maybe you will be kinder to him at least on that one? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 4 hours ago, Stevo985 said: He gets blame for this season because he assembled the squad. I'm sure we've been through this. It's as clear as day that he didn't. Hence why he chucked his toys out of the pram. That itself is unforgivable and worthy of blame but tim sherwood DID NOT assemble this squad. Don't think he'd have said we need a good core of English players if he'd have purchased the likes of Gana, Veretout, ayew, amavi, traore, llori, Crespo etc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Because Timothy Sherwood has never contradicted himself before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 11, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, briny_ear said: Do you include in the definition of "assembled" the departures as well as the arrivals? The departures of Benteke, Delph and Cleverley were pretty fundamental factors in the shaping of this season's squad. Are you holding him responsible for those? Also, I seem to recall that the announcement of Sinclair's appointment also seemed to take Sherwood by surprise, so maybe you will be kinder to him at least on that one? I'm holding him responsible (not solely) for spending nearly 60 million pounds assembling the current squad. No selling those players weren't his fault. Signing sinclair was clearly arranged before he got here. He still bears a huge amount of responsibility for this squad. That's why he gets blame for where we are. Edited April 11, 2016 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Gil simply isn't that good. If you search this thread back we've had comments like he's as good as Mahrez and we could get 10m + if we sold him this season....I've just about stopped laughing. He's neat and tidy on the ball but he's lightweight, he's not very quick. If he'd played more when Benteke was still here then we might've seen more decent play but really what has he contributed since the Sunderland away game? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 10 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Gil simply isn't that good. If you search this thread back we've had comments like he's as good as Mahrez and we could get 10m + if we sold him this season....I've just about stopped laughing. He's neat and tidy on the ball but he's lightweight, he's not very quick. If he'd played more when Benteke was still here then we might've seen more decent play but really what has he contributed since the Sunderland away game? To be honest I just don't think he is a very good football. If you aren't quick or strong you better be a good footballer and he just isn't. I said it at the time and I still think it...he was Spanish and left footed, people were looking for things that just weren't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) There's likely a decent player in there, you can sort of see it at times, but he will never make it in the English divisions. Maybe indoor 5-a-sides? Edited April 11, 2016 by thunderball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 He has some exiting qualities, but he's just not good enough at the things he's good at to work at the top English football. He's not effective in this league and I doubt he'll be it in the Championship. Just a bit too slow both on the feet and in mind (not saying he's actually slow in the head) . He's too easily pushed away from the ball and will get clattered in the Championship because they will go for the player rather than look at the ball. Think he'd be ace in Holland or Belgium thou where he'd get a bit more time on the ball and teammates who'll have better vision and (intelligent) movement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 2 hours ago, VillaChris said: Gil simply isn't that good. If you search this thread back we've had comments like he's as good as Mahrez and we could get 10m + if we sold him this season....I've just about stopped laughing. He's neat and tidy on the ball but he's lightweight, he's not very quick. If he'd played more when Benteke was still here then we might've seen more decent play but really what has he contributed since the Sunderland away game? sure the drama of him staying here instead of the manager last season was also very OTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 6 hours ago, Keyblade said: Because Timothy Sherwood has never contradicted himself before. And it just wouldn't be plausible for that comment to be in favour of my side of the argument would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I'm holding him responsible (not solely) Right, well your argument is on the crumble - your original assertion was that he gets the blame because he assembled the squad. Now it appears there were others involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 He's just not really suited to the British game, I think. Technically he's definitely got ability but you've either got to be difficult to get off the ball or quick and he's neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 12, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, briny_ear said: Right, well your argument is on the crumble - your original assertion was that he gets the blame because he assembled the squad. Now it appears there were others involved. Close. But crucially wrong. My original assertion was that he gets blame, i.e. some blame. Not THE blame. Look: 18 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Why would they?He gets blame for this season because he assembled the squad. Next season, hopefully, that squad won't be the same. I have never said Sherwood is solely responsible for this season. Merely that he shoulders some of the blame. I don't absolve him of any responsibility over our summer signings like a lot of people do based one one newspaper report. He was our manager during the worst transfer window in the history of the club, he deserves some blame for that. This is just yet another case of you taking a post out of context, and a thread off topic, to cause an argument. Edited April 12, 2016 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Leaving according to his agent. Gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 hardly surprising, still think he could go on to be a good player in the right team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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