bickster Posted June 7, 2018 Moderator Share Posted June 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: How long you been living up Liverpool ? My cousin has lived in Edinburgh for about 5 years now, and she's started to get a Scottish twang. 34 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 6 hours ago, bickster said: 34 years So you were up there in the 80s. I've heard the city was in the gutter during the 80s, and was in a real bad way. Obviously it's improved, but was it that bad up there during the 80s? It seems to be doing alright now, a bit like how Birmingham has changed its image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 8, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: So you were up there in the 80s. I've heard the city was in the gutter during the 80s, and was in a real bad way. Obviously it's improved, but was it that bad up there during the 80s? It seems to be doing alright now, a bit like how Birmingham has changed its image. In my lifetime, all the BIG cities in the north and midlands - Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle - have improved massively since the doldrums of the 70s and 80s. At the same time, their satellite towns - your Rochdales, Wolverhamptons, Bradfords - have correspondingly declined. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lapal_fan Posted June 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: So you were up there in the 80s. I've heard the city was in the gutter during the 80s, and was in a real bad way. Obviously it's improved, but was it that bad up there during the 80s? It seems to be doing alright now, a bit like how Birmingham has changed its image. I believe the fact @bickster turned up to Liverpool in the 80s and that Liverpool took a sharp downturn in fortunes in the 80s is indicative of just how much of a disaster Bicks is to his local environment. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Just now, mjmooney said: In my lifetime, all the BIG cities in the north and midlands - Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle - have improved massively since the doldrums of the 70s and 80s. At the same time, their satellite towns - your Rochdales, Wolverhamptons, Bradfords - have correspondingly declined. Yes it does seem like that, although I was only a wee nipper in the 80s. Was very surprised what a good city Leeds was when I went up, and Manchester has improved a lot. Birmingham is a really good city now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Just now, lapal_fan said: I believe the fact @bickster turned up to Liverpool in the 80s and that Liverpool took a sharp downturn in fortunes in the 80s is indicative of just how much of a disaster Bicks is to his local environment. What do you expect with someone who doesn't believe in Santa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, mjmooney said: In my lifetime, all the BIG cities in the north and midlands - Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle - have improved massively since the doldrums of the 70s and 80s. At the same time, their satellite towns - your Rochdales, Wolverhamptons, Bradfords - have correspondingly declined. Interestingly, I think a lot of the power cities have (as you pointed out) attained over those years are slowly reversing. Real Estate in cities now is astronomical (per sqft), so a lot of companies are moving back out to towns, or those business parks you find near motorways etc. I worked for CBRE for nearly 4 years until last year, and it was interesting how many big companies in London for example were heading out of the city. If it were my business, I'd be doing the same - you can get an office in a town for about 25% of the price as the same office, with worse amenities in a city. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Stafford 8 miles up from me, where @Seat68 lives, is one of those towns that's benefiting. The M6 runs through it, and you have Birmingham one way, and Manchester just an hour up the road. It's becoming a big place now with a lot of development and business coming to the town. A lot of people are settling there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lapal_fan Posted June 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Stafford 8 miles up from me, where @Seat68 lives, is one of those towns that's benefiting. The M6 runs through it, and you have Birmingham one way, and Manchester just an hour up the road. It's becoming a big place now with a lot of development and business coming to the town. A lot of people are settling there. Yea, but when you go through it and see @Seat68, sitting on his porch rocking chair with his 12 gauge and spit bucket - it kinda puts them off too, hence why both Birmingham and Manchester have become larger cities. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 8, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2018 The cleaner at work moaning that we're all getting the kitchen dirty minutes after she's cleaned it. We're not going to not use the kitchen in the middle of the day in the office just because you've cleaned it you stupid bint. That's literally what it's there for. How about you clean it at a sensible **** time rather than break time on a Friday?! dickhead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: The cleaner at work moaning that we're all getting the kitchen dirty minutes after she's cleaned it. We're not going to not use the kitchen in the middle of the day in the office just because you've cleaned it you stupid bint. That's literally what it's there for. How about you clean it at a sensible **** time rather than break time on a Friday?! dickhead. That kind of thing annoys me, as does the lady who fills the vending machines doing it at break or lunch time and taking ages so I can't get myself an extra snack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Big scabs that start drying out, and leaving the surrounding area all tight. Really uncomfortable in bed, and at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 8, 2018 Moderator Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: In my lifetime, all the BIG cities in the north and midlands - Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle - have improved massively since the doldrums of the 70s and 80s. At the same time, their satellite towns - your Rochdales, Wolverhamptons, Bradfords - have correspondingly declined. I agree with the first part, but not the second. I think they have improved less fast, but with some exceptions most places in the North and midlands have got better than they were in the 80s, but at vastly different rates. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted June 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2018 I think there’s an issue with the polarisation of much of society that’s leading to a perception of better cities. For a significant number of people, there are jobs with good salaries and there is easy credit. The easy credit is the disaster that’s being pretty much ignored so far in the race to have a nicer kitchen and a better i-pad. For the people with access to all the above, there is a world of far greater opportunity now, with coffee shops and designer stores and 27 variations of the latest must have car. Cities will have more of these people due to economic gravity and so cities cater for these people and have café quarters and exclusive shopping centres (if you can imagine such a thing). So, in the 80’s everything was a bit shit and we saw pictures on telly of shoulder padded yuppies buying convertible golfs. In 2018 we're no longer held back by the inconvenience of council housing. We can rent from private landlords now and we get to see for ourselves that Westfield Shopping Centre has a champagne bar and exclusive valet parking for Tesla’s. We see that Cardiff Bay no longer has a single coal truck, but it does have parking meters for yachts (no, really) and every pizza franchise known to man. That doesn’t make it better, unless you’re happy to either owe £100,000 or just be allowed to observe wealth at close quarter. Libraries are still closing, parks are still being sold off, rich kids are being filtered out of the comprehensive system, university costs £30,000 and you really should pre book a visit to A&E. But yes. There are far more clean and shiny buildings these days. But there are no less poor people in the city, they’re just walking up a different street to you. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 2 hours ago, blandy said: I agree with the first part, but not the second. I think they have improved less fast, but with some exceptions most places in the North and midlands have got better than they were in the 80s, but at vastly different rates. yep they fight for the scraps and hence grow at a slower rate (less fast?!) and i think do it quieter (fewer big flagship projects) but they are still improving, wolverhampton for example is seeing some investment now, the civic centre, markets and mander centre all having works done There are far more clean and shiny buildings these days last 20 years of curtain walling and now better lighting has changed everything, the glow off an LED lit part of a city just makes the whole place feel cleaner and nicer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 9 hours ago, lapal_fan said: Interestingly, I think a lot of the power cities have (as you pointed out) attained over those years are slowly reversing. Real Estate in cities now is astronomical (per sqft), so a lot of companies are moving back out to towns, or those business parks you find near motorways etc. I worked for CBRE for nearly 4 years until last year, and it was interesting how many big companies in London for example were heading out of the city. If it were my business, I'd be doing the same - you can get an office in a town for about 25% of the price as the same office, with worse amenities in a city. Birmingham city centre is amazing for bars, restaurants and pubs. Retail, however, is struggling. Independent shops can't afford city centre rents and even the big players are struggling and asking for rent reductions. The fact Rackhams is closing down in Brum is a massive loss. That is an iconic store. Were you at CBRE in Temple Row? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 8, 2018 Moderator Share Posted June 8, 2018 From the other night... people who make me hold my hand out for money then count the fare into my hand coin at a time. Words removed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 8, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) Whoever gave me five OLD pound coins in change. Can only have been the bar staff in the Brudenell on Monday. Edited June 8, 2018 by mjmooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted June 8, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, bickster said: From the other night... people who make me hold my hand out for money then count the fare into my hand coin at a time. Words removed! Pff pound coins. When you have dollar bills you can be like, 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seat68 Posted June 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2018 Knighthoods for doing their **** job. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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