Stevo985 Posted May 10, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 10, 2017 15 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Considering he's played at right back for most of his Villa career, I'd say that's a decent return Right back is where he looks best. That usually results in him being tried further up the pitch where he's largely rubbish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Bacuna is a good player, still reasonably young and crucially is a squad player for a midtable Championship side. For where we are, and where we're aiming to be in the short term, he's more than good enough for this side and I don't think we should be moving him on or writing him off unless someone offers way more than his value 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, skarroki said: Bacuna is a good player, still reasonably young and crucially is a squad player for a midtable Championship side. For where we are, and where we're aiming to be in the short term, he's more than good enough for this side and I don't think we should be moving him on or writing him off unless someone offers way more than his value He's a very average footballer in a very average team that has finished a very average 13th. So given the circumstances in which he and us find ourselves, I'd tend to agree with the above, until we stop being average. Hopefully in an upward direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Right back is where he looks best. That usually results in him being tried further up the pitch where he's largely rubbish. Can't argue with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Sell, sell, sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 22 hours ago, bobzy said: OK. He's still scored 2 more free kicks for us than Hourihane and Lansbury have put together. Two in how many attempts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 24 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Two in how many attempts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 10, 2017 Hourihane has plenty from set pieces for Barnsley. He scored one as a winner for them in his final game. He's a very good free kick taker. I'm not sure what Bacuna's 2 in 4 years for us is supposed to do for him in a discussion of who is the better set piece taker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, BOF said: Hourihane has plenty from set pieces for Barnsley. He scored one as a winner for them in his final game. He's a very good free kick taker. I'm not sure what Bacuna's 2 in 4 years for us is supposed to do for him in a discussion of who is the better set piece taker. It wasn't. I simply said Bacuna is a good direct free kick taker. Nothing to do with who is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 10, 2017 Just now, bobzy said: It wasn't. I simply said Bacuna is a good direct free kick taker. Nothing to do with who is better. Ah right, fair enough. Yeah I suppose if I was listing his qualities in order, set pieces would be high up for him. But that's probably largely down to me not thinking there's much else he can do. Running around a lot and squaring up to people I suppose would be high on his list too 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 He's not very good, hardly scored any, struggles to even get them on target, not a good freekick taker at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 20 hours ago, meregreen said: We won't get promotion with players as poor as Bacuna. To me, that means he has to go, the sooner the better. Careful what you wish for. IMO he will easily strengthen most championship squads and with a point to prove. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said: Careful what you wish for. IMO he will easily strengthen most championship squads and with a point to prove. I heard he wants Champions League, so we might even struggle to hold on to him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Seriously though, I could see Bacuna making the starting line up for at least 70% of this league, possibly more than that. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a team in the league that wouldn't have him in their squad if he was offered to them. I also think if he leaves we'll make a profit on him. He's also not on high wages. In terms of players that need moving on, he shouldn't be on that list. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, GENTLEMAN said: Careful what you wish for. IMO he will easily strengthen most championship squads and with a point to prove. Shame he doesn't play like he has a point to prove here. No point 'hording' him in the event he becomes this good player some suggest he is. He has been virtually useless to us, has to GO. Edited May 10, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, skarroki said: Seriously though, I could see Bacuna making the starting line up for at least 70% of this league, possibly more than that. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a team in the league that wouldn't have him in their squad if he was offered to them. I also think if he leaves we'll make a profit on him. He's also not on high wages. In terms of players that need moving on, he shouldn't be on that list. You may be right, but then we don't want to be in this league and he is one of the reasons we're down here. At the risk of sounding all high and mighty, we're Aston Villa and we're not 70% of this league. /arrogantrantover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, skarroki said: Seriously though, I could see Bacuna making the starting line up for at least 70% of this league, possibly more than that. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a team in the league that wouldn't have him in their squad if he was offered to them. I also think if he leaves we'll make a profit on him. He's also not on high wages. In terms of players that need moving on, he shouldn't be on that list. I agree, but he is still a gobshite and I don't want his crap attitude around the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 10, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 10, 2017 4 hours ago, GENTLEMAN said: Careful what you wish for. IMO he will easily strengthen most championship squads and with a point to prove. Strengthen their squad? Maybe. Strengthen their first XI? definitely not. Well, not any team we should be worrying about anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 58 minutes ago, BOF said: You may be right, but then we don't want to be in this league and he is one of the reasons we're down here. At the risk of sounding all high and mighty, we're Aston Villa and we're not 70% of this league. /arrogantrantover Agreed. The bloke is probably the worst midfielder (its close with Gardner) in a team that came 13th. 3 hours ago, skarroki said: Seriously though, I could see Bacuna making the starting line up for at least 70% of this league, possibly more than that. Have to disagree. 8 hours ago, skarroki said: Bacuna is a good player. Bonkers. 8 hours ago, skarroki said: I don't think we should be moving him on or writing him off unless someone offers way more than his value One of these perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Two in how many attempts? Next we'll be ne tallying Kodjias attempt ratio to justify him being shite. Edited May 10, 2017 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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