TB Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I genuinely didn't realise he had been here this long! That's totally understandable. He hasn't. I do understand, though, that the last 4 seasons might feel like an eternity for Villa fans. (Not all of it Bacuna's fault) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) I understand why he sometimes gets picked, for his industry and tempo, but for me, he is frankly ineffective overall. I want to see players, play for us who the opposition have trouble with.......and "trouble" can manifest itself in many ways, that all equate to effective. I don't care what position the player, plays in.......They have to be effective. I have seen in recent years many who simply haven't been effective..particularly in midfield......I am hoping to see that change. Edited July 10, 2017 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 23 minutes ago, TB said: That's totally understandable. He hasn't. I do understand, though, that the last 4 seasons might feel like an eternity for Villa fans. (Not all of it Bacuna's fault) you are quite right, but I'll bet we can all draw up an unenviable list of damn squibs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 hour ago, TheStagMan said: You do realise that both Richards and Agbonlahor are still here. As is Hutton. I'd agree with the OP I'd still want Bacuna gone ahead of all those mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, TRO said: you are quite right, but I'll bet we can all draw up an unenviable list of damn squibs. Oh yes, and many do post their list of damn squads. Or damp squids. :-) I was just pointing out that Bacuna's been here for four seasons, not five. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 18 minutes ago, TB said: Oh yes, and many do post their list of damn squads. Or damp squids. :-) I was just pointing out that Bacuna's been here for four seasons, not five. That's all. sorry for using slang ......squib is a type of firework in English ......so a Damp Squib is a colloquial word meaning "it won't go off" or "it doesn't work" or "of low expectation" silly me for thinking the forum is confined to this country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Just now, TRO said: sorry for using slang ......squib is a type of firework in English ......so a Damp Squib is a colloquial word meaning "it won't go off" or "it doesn't work" or "of low expectation" silly me for thinking the forum is confined to this country. I do know what a squib is (even though a couple of centuries ago it also could mean a short, sarcastic remark) - and even the meaning of the phrase 'a damp squib'. Damn squibs, on the other hand, is a phrase totally unknown to me. Possibly what someone might exclaim when encountering a damp squib? Or perhaps some utterance from a disgruntled wizard in the J. R. Rowling / Harry Potter universe? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TB said: I do know what a squib is (even though a couple of centuries ago it also could mean a short, sarcastic remark) - and even the meaning of the phrase 'a damp squib'. Damn squibs, on the other hand, is a phrase totally unknown to me. Possibly what someone might exclaim when encountering a damp squib? Or perhaps some utterance from a disgruntled wizard in the J. R. Rowling / Harry Potter universe? ;-) sorry re-read my post it was a typo J.K.Rowling......look its contagious. Edited July 10, 2017 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TRO said: sorry re-read my post it was a typo I guessed as much. I just couldn't resist... But thank you for taking the time to explain the phrase to a foreigner. Edit: Yup, you're right. Touché Edited July 10, 2017 by TB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Czechlad said: I watched the 2nd half of the match and I was very confused by what Bacuna is even playing. When attacking, Bacuna was playing almost a defensive mid role, but when defending, Bacuna was playing next to the strikers. It's like he decided not to jog more than 5-10 past the center circle for the whole match. Likely they gave him a free role as he obviously plays at the highest standard in their squad alongside Cuco Martina so you try to get them to influence the play as much as possible. He's no Gareth Bale though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 10, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2017 It does feel very much like the last time we were relegated in the 80's. Just lots and lots of players who are just not very good, years of underinvestment filling the squad with poor quality who ultimately cannot compete against even very poor small clubs who have spent better. For Leandro Bacuna see Warren Aspinall etc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 10, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, TB said: I do know what a squib is (even though a couple of centuries ago it also could mean a short, sarcastic remark) - and even the meaning of the phrase 'a damp squib'. Damn squibs, on the other hand, is a phrase totally unknown to me. Possibly what someone might exclaim when encountering a damp squib? Or perhaps some utterance from a disgruntled wizard in the J. R. Rowling / Harry Potter universe? ;-) If you were to build a wall in a stream to stop it flowing and you used old fashioned fireworks, that could be a dam squib! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, sidcow said: If you were to build a wall in a stream to stop it flowing and you used old fashioned fireworks, that could be a dam squib! I think that would be a damn weak (and damp) squib dam... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 He'd have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those damn squibs! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammoth10 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, briny_ear said: He'd have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those damn squibs! Stop encouraging them dam, sorry, damn it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Mammoth10 said: Stop encouraging them dam, sorry, damn it Well, I do think it's far better than damning the squad... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael118 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, TRO said: I understand why he sometimes gets picked, for his industry and tempo, but for me, he is frankly ineffective overall. I want to see players, play for us who the opposition have trouble with.......and "trouble" can manifest itself in many ways, that all equate to effective. I don't care what position the player, plays in.......They have to be effective. I have seen in recent years many who simply haven't been effective..particularly in midfield......I am hoping to see that change. 3rd in the Premier League for average assists per game in 14/15 when he was used properly and had the right players around him is not effective enough? How many of his team mates would you say have been more effective since? Edited July 11, 2017 by Michael118 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted July 11, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11, 2017 9 hours ago, TB said: That's totally understandable. He hasn't. I do understand, though, that the last 4 seasons might feel like an eternity for Villa fans. (Not all of it Bacuna's fault) You're quite right I do apologise for my incorrect stat. For some reason I was including the coming season as in my head the season had started. Obviously it hasn't and I will give myself a good talking to over providing incorrect info. It does however feel like 5 seasons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted July 11, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Michael118 said: 3rd in the Premier League for average assists per game in 14/15 when he was used properly and had the right players around him is not effective enough? How many of his team mates would you say have been more effective since? I'm starting to think you are Leandro Bacuna, as no one would go to lengths you do to pump up the tyres of someone so much. Unless you're indeed pumping up your own tyres. Pretty sure like I've said before his/your overall rating for the season 14/15 was 6.54. Which means no matter how you look at he/you was/were an average player at best. And outside of the small sample size of games you are using for his/your stats he/you was/were erring on being bloody awful. No wonder he/you is/are always late for training. Get off VT and back to pre-season before he/you has/have another mediocre season. Edited July 11, 2017 by Villan_of_oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael118 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: I'm starting to think you are Leandro Bacuna, as no one would go to lengths you do to pump up the tyres of someone so much. Unless you're indeed pumping up your own tyres. Pretty sure like I've said before his/your overall rating for the season 14/15 was 6.54. Which means no matter how you look at he/you was/were an average player at best. And outside of the small sample size of games you are using for his/your stats he/you was/were erring on being bloody awful. No wonder he/you is/are always late for training. Get off VT and back to pre-season before he/you has/have another mediocre season. I'm just trying to even up the score. I see him as one of our better players and one of the few we have who would be able to cut it at Premier League level. Some of the criticism he gets here is ridiculous. Those ratings from WhoScored don't mean a lot when you consider the other factors. I don't like to use their ratings as any kind of guide but his form picked up after Lambert left and half his appearances came from the bench which their ratings don't take into account. The sample I'm using is of the whole season. He was 3rd in the Premier League for average assists per game in 14/15 over the whole season. Edited July 11, 2017 by Michael118 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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