villa4europe Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The US has full freedom of speech doesn't it? You can say racist things, hate speech is permitted, essentially you can say anything yo like in the US. Our freedom of speech is different, there are limits on things like racism and hate speech. Am I right in thinking that if Trump were here he'd most likely be arrested? As long as you're American, white, straight and Christian, yes I think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 6 hours ago, mjmooney said: So, if Sanders = Corbyn, and Trump = Farage, does that make Obama = Cameron? You're probably not that far off, the Democrats wouldn't be that far away from being a centre right party I don't think. To quote the West Wing, the Republicans would be about five different parties if they were in Europe. The loony fringe is truly frightening though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted December 8, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2015 2 hours ago, maqroll said: Trump will self destruct by springtime. The GOP nominee will be Rubio, Cruz or Bush. People have been saying that for months though. Every time he comes out with something more outrageous he has gone up in the polls (although I believe Cruz was just ahead in one Iowa poll today.) Unfortunately a lot of what he says, however obscene, resonates with a lot of 'Heartland' Americans. The GOP bosses have no idea what to do about him. He isn't just sticking around, he's got incredible momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 He's really pushing it now, once some of the dust clears from this latest idiocy, I think we might see a slow decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted December 8, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) I hope so - the alternative of him being the actual nominee is unthinkable. Good concise article by Katy Kay (BBC World News) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35035692 ...You have to wonder, come the general election, whether the nominee will be judged in part on how he responded to Mr Trump's statement today. That is, if the nominee is not the man who wants to ban all Muslims from entering America. Finally, watch the fallout closely. So far, every time political commentators have predicted that an "outrageous" comment by Mr Trump meant he had finally gone too far, the voters seemed to think otherwise and his much vaunted poll numbers just went higher. It will be interesting to see what happens this time..... Edited December 9, 2015 by blandy quote extract inserted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Trump is too extreme - he'll drop out towards the end I suspect when the majority of Republicans rally around a single candidate like Rubio or Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The problem is that any right-wing fool who knows how to play the game will look moderate and reasonable next to Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 8, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 8, 2015 Exactly, Trump is great cover for someone who would otherwise be considered a hard line lunatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Ted Cruz is exactly that person. He's the real danger behind the clown show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I can't see Trump do anything but harm the Republicans. It doesn't really matter that virtually all of the other candidates have come out and condemned his recent comments because he plays to the Republican stereotype. He's dragging the primaries precisely away from where the Republicans should be heading in the general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Surely as a radical hate preacher Trump would be barred from entering our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Been thinking for a while that Trump is a smokescreen and secretly he has done a deal with one of the other candidates to make trump look so unpopular anyone would look better than him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Been thinking for a while that Trump is a smokescreen and secretly he has done a deal with one of the other candidates to make trump look so unpopular anyone would look better than him I don't believe there's anything secret afoot but if there are any deals that have been done I'd bet on one between Trump and Clinton. Should she get the Democratic nomination (and I expect she will) she'll be the biggest beneficiary of Trump's run. As I said earlier, his policies play to the Republican stereotype and he's only dragging the party further to the right so he doesn't help them at all for the general election. Interestingly, Trump was a Democrat between 2001 and 2009 and before 1987. Edited December 9, 2015 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2015 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Been thinking for a while that Trump is a smokescreen and secretly he has done a deal with one of the other candidates to make trump look so unpopular anyone would look better than him Donald Trump is only interested in what's good for Donald Trump. He's simply spouting nonsense that sells to his audience dependant on where he is, and whatever keeps him in the headlines. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I'd be embarrassed to be an American if Donald Trump was one of the front runners to lead the country. What the hell is going on if someone like that can be a (semi) serious presidency candidate...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) I see the UK people want him banned coming here. Dont think he will care that much to be honest Edited December 9, 2015 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I like Donald Trump, I think he is brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Aside from the racism of course? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 1 hour ago, Genie said: I'd be embarrassed to be an American if Donald Trump was one of the front runners to lead the country. What the hell is going on if someone like that can be a (semi) serious presidency candidate...? He actually hasn't got a massive amount of support. He rarely gets above 30% in the polls and I expect that if he ran as a third party candidate he'd struggle to get 10%. The main reason why he's got so much support is because there are so many other Republican candidates, none of whom really stand out and many who are viewed as part of the "establishment". Interestingly, a YouGov poll found that 25% of people here think that his idea of a Muslim ban is at least somewhat appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) I know we have a lot of doctors from Muslim countries over here, is it the same in the States? Nurses? His comments are just so stupid it hurts my brain. Edited December 9, 2015 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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