Zatman Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Or what about all the good stuff he does as well? Considering the fee we paid, he's been a very good signing. really? I cant really see much of the good stuff he has done in fairness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 It seems its finally hit home about this guy. Has looked awful since day 1 Amazing what a enthusiastic interview will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Fellaini is very hard to defend but a defender like vlaar is suposed to be able to Fellaini has made a mug of much better defenders than Vlaar. He's a brilliant player. No shame at all for Vlaar yesterday, he had a good game. Clark is the problem, shockingly bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 think the problem is Fellaini muscled him off the ball with very little effort on his part, same with Hanson. He was supposed to be the rock we were missing from set-pieces. I think its pretty sad id rather have Collins back in defence :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaspg Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 he just got back from an injury too, im sure he will improve a bit still. I thought he did alright last night, a couple of mistakes against good opposition, no shame in that. it will be interesting to see what happens against carrol. maybe sylla can stand on vlaars shoulders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ermie123 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I was at the game yesterday and from what i have seen of Vlaar he is an average defender, for starters him marking fellaini at the corner was ridiculous as he was a lot shorter than fellaini and also when he heads the ball out he does not looki at where he is heading it as he has been responsible for a lot the oppositions goals as he he heads it out straight to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he also does not manage the defence properly and does not have the stature of say Mellberg and also i would love to see Luarsen return to us as a defence coach as who ever is doing it at the moment may as well pack up abd go home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 this is true: He's better than Collins in every conceivable way except for maybe in the air. + this is surely the way forward: I'd like to see Baker instead of Clark alongside Vlaar. + this is basically what I came here to add to this thread: Fellaini has made a mug of much better defenders than Vlaar. He's a brilliant player. No shame at all for Vlaar yesterday, he had a good game. Clark is the problem, shockingly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Don't foget he is the only senior pro in that defence - it is first season in English football. He has done ok for me - not great but just ok , hopeful he becomes a giant for us in future, easily worth his fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derryvillan Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I'd like to see Baker instead of Clark alongside Vlaar. Actually said to my son yesterday I couldn't understand why he didn't start with Baker.Considering Evertons physical game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 When Vlaar was out for weeks, people were saying as soon as he comes back, the defence will be better. Unfortunately that has not been the case. I think this is a scenario where a players reputation gets enhanced when he is no there. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted February 3, 2013 Moderator Share Posted February 3, 2013 Did anybody here Hansons analysis on MOD, he was bang on the money when he talked about Clarke and his inexperience, the way he constantly gets close and tries to dance with the forwards is abysmal and shows a total lack of experience and confidence, why can our coaches not bloody see this and advise the lad on what he should be doing. Hanson could see how to put it right so why can't they. Er you seem to be forgetting the bit where Hansen showed how in the 2nd half Clark had learned and was stepping in front of his man. They put it down to learning from Vlaar but I think it is a little more likely Lambert or one of the coaches had a word at half time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Even if you would put Vidic to play alongside of Clark and Bennett he wouldn't do much better. I can't understand how Lambert still persists with Clark as Baker is clearly better of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Although I agree Baker is slightly better then Clark, it's like saying Keown is better looking then Ribery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Vlaar was poor at the euros so I wasn't expecting much when we signed him and I haven't been disappointed. He's no Martin Laursen - he used to cover for Zat knight and still became a Villa Legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Although I agree Baker is slightly better then Clark, it's like saying Keown is better looking then Ribery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 When Vlaar was out for weeks, people were saying as soon as he comes back, the defence will be better. Unfortunately that has not been the case. I think this is a scenario where a players reputation gets enhanced when he is no there. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. goals conceded in League games with/without Vlaar with : 29 goals in 16 games (goals conceded per game 1.81) without: 20 goals in 9 games (goals conceded per game 2.22) (before the injury this was 22 in 13 @ 1.69) not that much in it! but hopefully I found some stats to back up my own point of view ;P yes we've let in 7 in the last 3 games since his return but we'd let in 18 in the previous 5 league games without him. It may not be perfect but it has definitely improved since his return. the night and day/ying and yang of the Bradford results would also suggest as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 When Vlaar was out for weeks, people were saying as soon as he comes back, the defence will be better. Unfortunately that has not been the case. I think this is a scenario where a players reputation gets enhanced when he is no there. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Not there for 5 of the 6 games unbeaten up to Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 When Vlaar was out for weeks, people were saying as soon as he comes back, the defence will be better. Unfortunately that has not been the case. I think this is a scenario where a players reputation gets enhanced when he is no there. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. goals conceded in League games with/without Vlaar with : 29 goals in 16 games (goals conceded per game 1.81) without: 20 goals in 9 games (goals conceded per game 2.22) (before the injury this was 22 in 13 @ 1.69) not that much in it! but hopefully I found some stats to back up my own point of view ;P yes we've let in 7 in the last 3 games since his return but we'd let in 18 in the previous 5 league games without him. It may not be perfect but it has definitely improved since his return. the night and day/ying and yang of the Bradford results would also suggest as much. Yeah there is not much in it, pretty close. Not a huge improvement like some had thought or hoped. And as has been mentioned, he has been at fault for 5 goals since his return. He is average, but he is the best centre back at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) When Vlaar was out for weeks, people were saying as soon as he comes back, the defence will be better. Unfortunately that has not been the case. I think this is a scenario where a players reputation gets enhanced when he is no there. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Not there for 5 of the 6 games unbeaten up to Liverpool. Yep, kept saying it but people wouldnt accept it. Hes as awful as the rest. truly believe that his kind words at the start of the season papered over his shocking performances. We always seem to have a well overated CB: Mellberg really wasnt that good Laursen was a headless chicken - sometimes good - sometimes woeful Now Vlaar Edited February 3, 2013 by Woodytom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Laursen a headless chicken? You're off your rocker mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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