The_Steve Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Chelsea will forever be a scummy club. Shameful. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Chelsea will forever be a scummy club. Shameful. but you heard their fans? they've always been victims and all that jazz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 hours ago, MakemineVanilla said: Mellor was chairman of the Football Taskforce, so he was probably doing research. Mellor lost his seat when Sir James Goldsmith (Zac's dad) stood against him on the Referendum Party, which the led to the rise of UKIP and then Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted March 15, 2022 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: We must owe NSWE lot of money so if it can't be written off to them its going to take a very long time if ever for us to pay them back. Chelsea is even worse position so I don't see how they operate if they have to pay Roman back. That's not right, in my understanding, Dem. I believe it works like this: Nas and Wes bought Villa (and RA bought Chelsea). The club they bought then spends more than it earns. But what then happens is that the Club issues some new shares. As the owners already owned 100% of the (say) 1 million shares in the club, when the new ones are issued, there are now (say) 1,100,000 shares - the owners then pay for the new 100,000 shares, which are valued at (say) £10 each - so they "buy" 100,000 shares for a total of £1,000,000. The club has thus got a million pounds, the owners now own extra shares. They might hope that one day, because the club has improved with the extra money they put in, that they will get more for it if/when they sell all or part of their shareholding in it. No one owes anyone anything. In addition to buying shares, owners have, in the past loaned their club money. Often interest free, and often at the end of the load period (say 10 years) the owner will write the loan off, again via equity for debt - in exchange for shares. RA has previously done that with Chelsea, and currently the debt has built back up again to (we're told) 1.5 billion. So Villa's situation is very different from Chelsea's. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted March 15, 2022 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Yeah its very complicated. I dont know the ins and outs. We must owe NSWE ot of money so if it cant bw written off to them its going to take a very long timw time if ever fir us to pay them back. Chelsea is even worse position so i dont see how they operate if they have to pay roman back. We don't - our total debt is around £5m - that's it, the whole thing - everything else has been gifts. With Roman - he offered to write off the debt but then built it into the asking price - it's questionable if he would actually have just written it off. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted March 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2022 20 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: If this latest debacle won't result in a reform to the current owners test then nothing will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 15, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2022 The ticket thing is posturing - Chelsea don't really want to play the game behind closed doors - they just want to put pressure on the government to let them sell tickets. I hope the FA/Govt come back very quickly and say no. It's worth noting that Chelsea have already sold some of their allocation for this game - they will have fans at the game - they just weren't able to get to their general sale window - season ticket holders that want to go will be there. By the sound of things enough Chelsea fans were given the opportunity to buy tickets that they could have sold out their allocation. They didn't. This is a dirtbag move - Middlesbrough fans will be fuming and Chelsea's hierarchy will be hoping that anger influences government response to their appeals. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Thanks @OutByEaster? and @blandyim not a expert in that field. Seems very complicated. If uts only 5m we ows them then we are in a good way. Our debt might go up though once the new stadium plans go in though. Not aure if NSWE can gift that to us? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 15, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Our debt might go up though once the new stadium plans go in though. Not aure if NSWE can gift that to us? The stadium is owned not by the Football Club, but by another NSWE company - remember the football club sold it to meet EFL FFP regs. Chelsea kind of have a slightly similar(ish) situation, in that Chelsea FC doesn't hold control over their ground, it's in a trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Regarding the tickets, I think one missing piece of the puzzle here, which adds some legitimacy to Chelsea's complaints, is that before asking for the game to be behind closed doors, they asked for permission to give tickets away to their fans. If this is all about preventing income to an asset of their sanctioned owner, allowing them to give tickets away seems fair enough, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: The ticket thing is posturing - Chelsea don't really want to play the game behind closed doors - they just want to put pressure on the government to let them sell tickets. I hope the FA/Govt come back very quickly and say no. It's worth noting that Chelsea have already sold some of their allocation for this game - they will have fans at the game - they just weren't able to get to their general sale window - season ticket holders that want to go will be there. By the sound of things enough Chelsea fans were given the opportunity to buy tickets that they could have sold out their allocation. They didn't. This is a dirtbag move - Middlesbrough fans will be fuming and Chelsea's hierarchy will be hoping that anger influences government response to their appeals. The government statement was strong and I hope the FA do the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 15, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2022 The thing is, they've already sold 600 tickets to their own fans (and those fans chose not to take more), Middlesbrough is a long way and many of those fans will have made plans to stay overnight - let's not kid ourselves that Chelsea's actions are in support of their own fans - this is about them trying to bring pressure on government and the footballing bodies through an outright threat. I really would like to see this shut down by the FA and government really quickly and really sharply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 15, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2022 Incidentally, judging by the low take up for tickets from their season ticket holders, there's every chance that if Chelsea were to give away the tickets for nothing, then presuming that they do that on the basis of their season ticket/member scheme and not just by offering them to anyone in the country, there's every chance they wouldn't be able to get rid of all them. In amongst this is the fact that Chelsea would most likely not have sold this allocation anyway - money buys you a lot, but it doesn't necessarily buy you fans willing to travel ten hours by car to attend a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 30 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: The ticket thing is posturing - Chelsea don't really want to play the game behind closed doors - they just want to put pressure on the government to let them sell tickets. I hope the FA/Govt come back very quickly and say no. It's worth noting that Chelsea have already sold some of their allocation for this game - they will have fans at the game - they just weren't able to get to their general sale window - season ticket holders that want to go will be there. By the sound of things enough Chelsea fans were given the opportunity to buy tickets that they could have sold out their allocation. They didn't. This is a dirtbag move - Middlesbrough fans will be fuming and Chelsea's hierarchy will be hoping that anger influences government response to their appeals. In the FA Cup the gate receipts are shared so they will probably be losing money by not playing with fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted March 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2022 Quote We are aware of Chelsea's request to have Saturday's Emirates FA Cup sixth round tie played behind closed doors and find their suggestion both bizarre and without any merit whatsoever. All concerned are well aware of the reasons Chelsea have been sanctioned and that this has nothing to do with Middlesbrough Football Club. To suggest as result that MFC and our fans should be penalised is not only grossly unfair but without any foundation. Given the reasons for these sanctions, for Chelsea to seek to invoke sporting "integrity" as reason for the game being played behind closed doors is ironic in the extreme. We currently await formal notification from the FA of the next steps but rest assured MFC will resist Chelsea's actions in the strongest terms. A Statement From Middlesbrough FC... | Middlesbrough Fc (mfc.co.uk) Good lads 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted March 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2022 good on ya boro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted March 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: Regarding the tickets, I think one missing piece of the puzzle here, which adds some legitimacy to Chelsea's complaints, is that before asking for the game to be behind closed doors, they asked for permission to give tickets away to their fans. If this is all about preventing income to an asset of their sanctioned owner, allowing them to give tickets away seems fair enough, IMO. Giving tickets away creates the precedent to pd it at Stamford Bridge. This then allows them to sell hospitality (can't prevent people from eating/drinking), which then opens up doing corporate hospitality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 "gruelling" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 45 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: A Statement From Middlesbrough FC... | Middlesbrough Fc (mfc.co.uk) Good lads Full credit to Boro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted March 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2022/mar/15/david-squires-on-the-fall-of-chelsea-roman-empire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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