Zatman Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Why are they so **** dull? We were never that bad were we? from start of 2009 we were pretty dull to watch as we couldnt break down a lot of team and were 1 dimensional. probably glossed over is as football in last 2 seasons were also bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Yes in a game they should have won Mantis, disallowed goal, generally much better than us! I don't like MON, but one thing you cannot deny is when we had a shit result he would usually get the team to bounce right back, remember when we lost to Middlesbrough 2-1, he only then went to Emirates and done them. We lost 2-0 at home to Wigan, we then went to Anfield and beat them 3-1. This will be a tough game to win no doubt. Both teams were poor that day. The predicted smashing at the hands of O'Neill never happened. As I said in the match thread, if Sunderland won last night people would be saying "they'll be eager to keep this run of form going and O'Neill will want to put the boot in". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 31, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted October 31, 2012 from start of 2009 we were pretty dull to watch as we couldnt break down a lot of team and were 1 dimensional. probably glossed over is as football in last 2 seasons were also bad We were never this dull for an extended period of time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Very weird that isn't it? Honestly, I find it genuinely perplexing. Pretty much, i can't remember a single manager to have success after us in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Pretty much, i can't remember a single manager to have success after us in my lifetime. If McLeish gets another job will that not count as a success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Jonno Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 If McLeish gets another job will that not count as a success Im sure with his outrageously large settlement he got from us the ginger prick will never even think about working ! Couple that with the fact his reputation ( did he ever have one ) is rightly in pieces I very much doubt he will ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Not sure if this has been posted. Some interesting views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villadude Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Good video, I have to agree with them, he's an average midtable manager without bucket loads of loot to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 I still wonder what Villa could have achieved in Europe had MON not given up on the competition...if you enter a cup competition, you should try to win the **** thing. Villa were strong enough that year to win it, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Finally people are now seeing mon is a cheque book manager 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 that video is very accurate but no different than what a lot of VIlla fans have said on here. just now teh media are realising he is a fraud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Finally people are now seeing mon is a cheque book manager Lets look at the top managers, and show me one who hasn’t spent big and are therefore ‘cheque book’ managers. Even Everton with ‘no money’, spent £15 million on a player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Whilst Everton certainly did pay good money for Fellaini didn't they go about 5 or 6 transfer windows without signing a single player? Even £15m, it isn't a huge amount of money these days. You get a good PL player for that. Not great, not exceptional and certainly not world class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 How many years ago was it; three or four? I don’t think under Moyes that they haven’t signed someone in each transfer window. Lets not forget Andy van der Meyde or Krøldrup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 2, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2012 To be fair to Moyes, I think I read that over his tenure as Everton manager his total net spend works out at about £2.5 million a season. It's not nothing, but it's certainly nowhere near what MON was averaging here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 You look solely on his time at Aston Villa and I guess you could accuse O'Neill of being a cheque book manager. I do though think for an 80 mill net spend over 4 years and when he left the 6th highest wage bill what we achieved was about right. It should also be remembered that since he left we sold 3 of his signings for over 60 mill. What he certainly can't be accused off is being a cheque book manager at Leicester. In his 5 years there he got them promoted and for 4 seasons they didn't finish outside the top 10 in the Premiership. They won the league cup twice and finished runners up once. A remarkable achievement and he certainly didn't have a lot to spend at Leicester. I think he is now possibly on the wane and in terms of English football Aston Villa will certainly be the biggest club he will manage. I think perhaps he knows that himself now and as maybe lost some of the spark he had with us. Like many managers found before him once you leave us it seems you go backwards. He certainly won't go down as an elite manager alongside the likes of Fergie and Wenger but for me he stands comfortably alongside the likes of Moyes and Redknapp especially when you consider he has won more than them at a club like Leicester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blunther Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I don't think he's adaptable enough for the modern game. Things have changed since his most successful days, and I think he's too stubborn to change with them. Thought he'd be a Villa legend a few years ago, so it's sad to see how things have turned out for both of us. I am glad he's not proving a great success at Sunderland though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 He's coming up to his first 12 months in charge and hasn't finished a full season yet. Seeing certain comments from some who claim lambert should be given plenty of time is quite amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 MON can't manage a squad. In his four season here he used the same 11 players until they were **** (Feb/March) then we lost all our momentum. Apart from his first season here, we were solid contenders for top four every year, but only until February. MON will never do better than he did with us. He can't buy and manage a squad to play consistently for a full season. I think it's all coming undone for him now. Getting booed off by fans in under 12 months by the same fans that watched Mick McCarthy for three years can't be good for your stock. I expect some of the journos pointing out his weaknesses are distancing themselves to retain credibility. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 MON likes to spend lots of money to achieve, well, not a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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