DCJonah Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 37 minutes ago, BOF said: Again I think you've hit the nail on head with that assessment DC. The only bit I wouldn't be completely sold on is sending him on loan. He has done that already and I think if he is to become acclimatised to being a top Premier League player then he needs to be here learning how to become one. I don't think there's much to learn at the lower levels. Although I've just had the horrible thought that loaning him out next season could be loaning him UP to the Premier League in order to become that Premier League player I think there are pros and cons. If he starts to perform better, get more minutes and finish the season well with us then great. But I have a feeling we will be seeing little of him for the rest of the year. If that's case, I'd just get him away and playing regular games at a lower level to get the confidence, belief and enjoyment back up before the summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Has bags of potential we all know that ,but his conduct on a number of occasions off the field hasn't been what it needs to be ,he is young etc but that doesn't excuse him plenty of young players at other clubs are making headlines for the right reasons ,reading between the lines his attitude in training hasn't been good either unless he changes his habits he won't make it talent only takes you so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Have to agree with you DC and think some of the comments on here a little disappointing. Yes he has been poor this season and may not have started the season in the right frame of mind after summer antics etc but how can we say - his attitude sticks/abysmal, he's cocky, he's this and that? How do any of us know what he's like day in day out? For all we know he could be doing charity work on his afternoons off! Bit extreme I know but how do any of us know what he's really like. What you can see for sure is a 20 year old with little confidence to even do the basics right at present and think he should be supported because of this. I remember Tony Cascarino missing a golden chance in front of the holte and getting booed, him looking up at us all in disbelief, then almost out of guilt the crowd chanting his name - what I am trying to say is boing wont help a player whose confidence is shot to bits! Chanting his name may just help though!! Get his mindset right and back on track cos boy think we will need him next year. Edited January 20, 2016 by ferguson1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villastine Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I suspect the thread is HOT due to out inaction in the transfer market. The papers couldn't even be bother making up a transfer link about us, they just print Gardes quotes with sensationalistic headlines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Not sure how or why people can defend his attitude. His ability is there, and yes, its tough being 20 playing in a lousy team, but if any other player showed the lack of intelligence and drive (and they certainly have) that he has this season their attitude, and much more, would certainly be, (and often is) slated. Compared to them I think he is actually getting quite an easy ride from the fans. Westwood, for example, simply does not possess magical abilities or game changing skills, Jack does, in my view, yet Westwoods critics are persistent and vocal, whereas really this is the first time anyone has complained about Grealish. For myself Ive never booed or jeered one of our own players but surely with such a gifted guy barely featuring in our season there is a legitimate reason for people to question his application ? And despite nobody having said so, it really doesn't take a mastermind to figure out that is why Garde isn't playing him. Bad attitude doesn't mean his private life, or whether he thinks he is Gods gift, it is about showing the determination to fulfill your potential and, in particular, do what your Manager wants. Garde specifically said this was not the case. I hope HE doesn't think everything about his approach to the game is spot on, as that would really be a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ermie123 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 File him under Luke Moore and close the cabinet...next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 He's got so much more potential than Luke Moore though, time will obviously tell but if he does leave us it could prove to be a Cahill size **** up Need our coaches to really get hold of this kid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 villa4europe makes a good point in that Jack's mindset has to be right but also you'd hope people at the club and indeed family are working with/supporting him. I don't believe agents do as in most cases they are surely interested in moves and improved contracts. I for one am not defending his actions and recent attitude but am stating that if we continue to boo and knock him, it may eventually drive him away from the club which we could then regret! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 37 minutes ago, villa4europe said: He's got so much more potential than Luke Moore though, time will obviously tell but if he does leave us it could prove to be a Cahill size **** up Need our coaches to really get hold of this kid Has he? At Jack's age Luke Moore was scoring a PL hat trick. He got billy big bollocks syndrome too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Looking at his technique, touch, control, passing, it's all miles better than anything I can remember in years, his shortfall is all in stuff that better set ups than ours would kick straight out of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 6 hours ago, VillaCas said: 29 games 1 goal 1 assist Minimal contribution attacking-wise, No contribution defensively and a bad attitude It will take a massive change in attitude for him to realise this "huge potential" he supposedly has Plenty of examples of youngsters who have shone for a handful of games and then disappeared. Grealish will be the next of them if he doesnt sort his act out Guess those stats dont include corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post honest_bertie Posted January 20, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2016 Needs to pull his socks up 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: He's got so much more potential than Luke Moore though, time will obviously tell but if he does leave us it could prove to be a Cahill size **** up Need our coaches to really get hold of this kid You might be forgetting exactly how good Moore looked as a teenager. If anything even more promise than Grealish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Moore had no where as near as much potential as Grealish. I'm still expecting him (Grealish) to have a very successful career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Jack is only 20 and people are easy to forget that, he is just a kid and its sad all the pressure people are putting on him. I said it before but if he didnt come from Birmingham or the Villa academy he would be let away with things because of his age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Luke Moore, you guys are funny Edited January 21, 2016 by Keyblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 11 hours ago, useless said: Moore had no where as near as much potential as Grealish. I'm still expecting him (Grealish) to have a very successful career. Yeah he did but you're now looking back through a lens of an unfulfilled career. At the time Moore was bracketed with Rooney as the next big thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Sending Grealish out on loan is a no-no for me. He needs to be here around our coaches and around our manager. If Garde and our coaches can nurture him and keep him focused then young Jack will come good. If he's out on loan then we're trusting others to do that. Jack needs to stay here and a firm hand needs to be permanently hoovering behind his backside ready to smack it if he deviates from the righteous path. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 19 hours ago, VillaCas said: Does he score goals - no Does he make goals - no Does he help the team defend - no 29 games 1 goal 1 assist please tell me what contribution he is making that I'm missing overhyped show pony He is 20. Sell him and he will do an Albrighton. He is young and naive. That is all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 20 hours ago, DCJonah said: Not sure about you but I like to watch matches. You look at your stats screen if you want. 20 hours ago, Woody1000 said: I agree with this. I like to think that I know a good footballer when I see one, I don't need stats to tell me. Except we're not talking about "interceptions made", "touches in the opponents half" or "successful dribbles", we're talking about the only "stats" that matter - goals! 29 games, 1 goal, 1 assist He is not making a contribution going forward and is certainly not making a contribution defensively. A "good footballer" either stops goals, scores goals or makes goals. So far Grealish has done none of these. All we have so far is an equal mix of potential and attitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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